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Old April 17 2013, 03:03 AM   #121
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The Dreadnought looks more like an Enterprise than the nuEnterprise does
That's because it's so similar to the Sovereign.
FYI - That background is an altered image from the Hubble Space Telescope..
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Old April 17 2013, 03:05 AM   #122
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Couldn't it just be some kind of prototype warship that he has stolen? I don't see them using the time travel thing here either...
Starfleet doesn't build warships. Yes you could be right. It could be a new class of starship built during their time period. But looking at Kirk And Spock and everyone else on the bridge of the Enterprise faces, doesn't means it's not.


Starfleet does build warships... Constitution Class could act like one when needed. It was not strictly a science vessel, one of their missions was to protect federation planets. The Enterprise could lay waste to a planet if it had to. (General Order 24)


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Old April 17 2013, 03:11 AM   #123
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I loved Kirk's 'I'm sorry' remark. Not the most inspiring comment your CO could make.
I loved that line. Love the way Chris Pine delivered it. It was almost heartbreaking.

I will echo pretty much everyone and say this trailer looks freaking awesome! May 15th cannot come quick enough!
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Old April 17 2013, 03:17 AM   #124
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Fan-freaking-tastic!
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Old April 17 2013, 03:27 AM   #125
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Maybe John Harrison is trying to start a war with the klingons? Pitching starfleet against the klingon empire for some reason.
Maybe he's trying to prevent war with the Klingons by killing all the corrupt Starfleet higher-ups who were gunning for war.
I dunno, destabilizing Starfleet when the Klingons are in an expansionist phase (at least going by Countdown into Darkness) would probably encourage the Klingons to attack.
Star Trek literature is non-canon. I'm sure the story for this movie will be completely self-contained and non-reliant on pre-release literature.
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Old April 17 2013, 03:32 AM   #126
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Starfleet does build warships... Constitution Class could act like one when needed. It was not strictly a science vessel, one of their missions was to protect federation planets. The Enterprise could lay waste to a planet if it had to. (General Order 24)
If they kept that it makes me wonder what the Dreadnaught can do, blow a planet in two? Lay waste to an entire star system?

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Old April 17 2013, 04:07 AM   #127
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I ... dunno. What is it about this trailer that has everyone feeling it's so epic? The scary ship that's bigger than the hero ship? We got that in Star Trek: Nemesis, and we saw where that went.

On the other hand, Harrison looks like a helluva better villain than Shinzon.

My fingers are crossed.

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Watched two more times. There's a lot of action ... I just hope the story is as good as the ka-boomy stuff.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:15 AM   #128
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Those smoke trails leading to the Enterprise nacelles and blowing them up is its own photon torpedoes (the ball things) being used against them. You can see where the smoke trail clearly leads out of the front of the torpedo launcher on the neck and towards the Dreadnought and then turns back. Looks like the Dreadnought somehow rerouted the torpedoes back to the Enterprise.

See the images the bottom of the shot by shot analysis from Trekmovie.com.

http://trekmovie.com/2013/04/16/shot...omment-5056218
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Old April 17 2013, 05:42 AM   #129
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I ... dunno. What is it about this trailer that has everyone feeling it's so epic? The scary ship that's bigger than the hero ship?
I don't think anyone said that they thought the trailer was great on the merit that Harrison's ship is bigger... just that it's regarded as a well put together trailer.

We got that in Star Trek: Nemesis, and we saw where that went.
We got that in Star Trek '09, and we saw where that went too. Not really any correlation.
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Old April 17 2013, 05:51 AM   #130
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Old April 17 2013, 07:27 AM   #131
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That ship is to powerful to be from Kirk time period and any new ships should be base of the Enterprise design. And there's the debris floating around the orbit of the moon. They have to be wreckage from others starships that was destroyed by Harrison ship before the Enterprise had arrive.
I would completely agree with you, but I don't think that they will be pulling the black-hole-time-travel stunt again for this movie. But it would make sense!
Yeh, I was using the wormhole example. But there other ways that they could go back in time.
I'm hoping they don't. I'm seriously sick of time travel in Trek movies. This has all the makings of a blockbuster AND critical success story w/o the added lameness of time travel TYVM.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:18 AM   #132
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Especially after their last fleet was decimated by a single ship, that had to leave the Federation extermely vulnerable to an attack from the Klingons or Romulans. Desperate officers at the top could lead to well warships and worse.
This is my thought as well... After getting pasted by the Narada, Starfleet knows there are bigger boys on the block and so they start developing bigger toys to play with them...

Much like the Defiant (tough little ship) was designed with the Borg in mind... The difference between the two being that to battle the Borg, Starfleet needed speed, manuverability and fire power... To face off against something like the Narada, they need size, armor AND fire power...
Starfleet didn't know about the Narada, starfleet haven't had time to built that ship in that short of time space. If it was built because of the reports from the Kelvin survivors? Then Why didn't they built the Enterprise and other starships like Harrison ship?
Wrong, on your first point. Starfleet would absolutely know about the advanced, huge, and vastly more powerful ship thanks to the crew and logs from the utterly destroyed Kelvin.

They just wouldn't know what happened to it. What power was behind it. They certainly wouldn't know that it was just one ship from the future controlled by a man driven mad with grief.

Knowing it was by the Neutral Zone, the might have thought it a Klingon ship, but easily could have thought it to be a an example of the Romulan Empire (who weren't active at this time).

Imagine how that would impact fear in the Federation and Starfleet that a once bitter, bitter enemy that has been hiding from you, has a ship (and possibly many of the same type) that vastly outclass anything your fleet has? It would have pushed Starfleet into having bigger weapons, stronger push for military power over exploration, and certainly would have given any intelligence agency/ covert military group great reason to build up.

As for why the Enterprise wasn't builfd up like that. Easy first what 15 years have passed to show of new ship, that reduces fear in Starfleet and Federation, but it doesn't mean you don't develop some ships, a class a prototype. remember in this new universe we don't know what type of classes of starships are out there (which is actually true of original TOS as well).

Think of TNG, and how much the actions of the Enterprise C changed the duty of the Galaxy class Enterprise (its a warship, no families, no counselor), and thats with a long standing war. How much did that change the focus of Starfleet during the career of that alternate Picard?

Look in the normal universe. The Defiant class. Not all new ships were built to be destroyers? Nor do to the Borg Threat (something similar to a degree) did Starfleet start throwing out huge numbers of that ship. Sisko even talks about how the production of the ship stalled as the Borg Threat seem to lesson, but it still created several that we know of it that class.

If that incident happened in just the wrong time, I could see the threat pushing for more military sided buildup, and I can see it if it hit at a bad point in time and the wrong people are in positions of power pushing a group like Section 31 to do something similar to say the Obsidian order that went above its mandate and actually started building its own private ships.

It wouldn't be Starfleet or the Federation at its finest, certainly, but its absolutely possible and even reasonable.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:27 AM   #133
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Psion it's not teh size of the ship (and seriosuly why would someone think that int eh first place?), its the overall feel of the material.

1st. Its produced extremely well. Strong across the board production values. Something that wasn't true of Nemesis.

2. A continuation of part of a story that many felt was rushed (a Kirk with too little experience given command), I love that they are continuing this.

3. Character beats the seem to have real meat behind them (this is of course a railer and the story can fall completely flat in the film), but the scenes show have gravitas to them.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:46 AM   #134
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Star Trek literature is non-canon. I'm sure the story for this movie will be completely self-contained and non-reliant on pre-release literature.
Just because Trek literature is technically non-canon doesn't mean that it doesn't inform and inspire events in the movies which are cannon. The "Countdown" comics clearly influenced the events of ST09, even though ST09 worked as a standalone film in addition to being a continuation of the Countdown story. I expect the same to be the case here, with STID working as a standalone film even though it's also a loose continuation of the "Countdown To Darkness" storyline.
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Old April 17 2013, 08:50 AM   #135
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