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Old May 6 2013, 01:35 AM   #136
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The great thing about this episode is the extensive discussion that it generates, even this many years down the road. I was the ENT mod when it first aired and the forum exploded over both the episode and the morality conundrum. It remains one of my top 5 ENT episodes on both counts.
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Old May 9 2013, 05:17 AM   #137
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All right, I suppose it's time for me to forget "Dear Doctor" and get on with my life. On to the next episode.

Sleeping Dogs:

Meh. Not a bad episode, but not that interesting, either. Enterprise finds a wreck of a Klingon ship inside a gas giant, which is slowly sinking further into the atmosphere. Archer sends T'Pol, Hoshi, and Malcolm over to the ship to offer assistance (though why he didn't send his chief engineer, who would be of more use, I'm not sure), and they get trapped on board after one of the Klingons steals their shuttle. They have to find a way to restore power to the engines before the atmosphere crushes the ship. Also, apparently it smells in there.

Meanwhile, Archer apprehends the Klingon woman who stole their shuttle, and she is predictably uncooperative. It seems her entire crew picked up a toxin from some ale they appropriated after a raid, and they're all sick or dying or something. After boning up on Klingon culture, Archer plays the honor card and tells the Klingon woman (Bu'Kah, I think) that if she doesn't help her crew, she'll be letting them die dishonorably. So of course, she agrees.

Back on the ship, the away team have given up on trying to get the engines on-line, and instead decide to blast the ship into a higher orbit with the photon torpedoes. (I liked how Malcolm instantly perked up when he found out about those. He sure loves to blow stuff up.) They succeed, Archer and Bu'Kah arrive and get the engines running again, and after another scene with the Klingon captain (Vaughn Armstrong in his five-thousandth role) threatening to blow up Enterprise, Archer channels his inner warrior and manages to convince him to withdraw.

And we end on an obligatory shot of three attractive people in their undies. In case you forgot that this was Enterprise.

Like I said, meh. Not bad, but nothing we haven't already seen in past series. And there wasn't much suspense. DS9's "Starship Down", on the other hand... Now that was a great episode about characters being trapped on a ship under dire circumstances. But there was some good character development for Hoshi, who is determined to get over her fear of away missions. And there were some awesome CGI scenes. That shot of Enterprise's grappler catching the shuttle pod was pretty fantastic. Also, targs in the pantry!

One small point: Malcolm should never have been allowed on an away mission with a cold. For all they knew, the common cold virus could prove to be like ebola or typhus to an alien species. C'mon, son.
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Old May 9 2013, 07:47 AM   #138
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Good point on Malcolm spraying mucus everywhere. I think Enterprise's best quality was its ability to do character studies (I'm ahead of my reviews and watching Season 2's "Minefield" right now). Unfortunately their action stories sometimes suffered for it. I had always looked at Star Trek as an action-adventure format. I liked character shows, but preferred those built around a conflict that was really a thought study for viewers. "Sleeping Dogs" almost succeeds for me, but there's no real brain teaser in it.

The final scene-- yeah, in my review I mentioned Malcolm fans might get a treat. Unfortunately, we T'Pol and Hoshi fans never got a full frontal of them without shirts.

I think Doug Drexler's old blog had renders of that Klingon ship. I'll have to see if I have them.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:04 AM   #139
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Someone should've asked Archer what gives him the right to take prisoners.

Other than that... basic Enterprise stuff. A plot that's not terribly engaging, a familiar race in a transparent attempt to draw in fans and excessive nudity without purpose.

Though the effects on Enterprise always were good, but those only enhance an episode, they can't define it. Overall... fairly entertaining to watch, but not one I'd go out of my way to pick if I wanted 45 minutes of Trek.
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Old May 10 2013, 12:51 AM   #140
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Not a good episode. It took them some time to get the Klingons right, to me none of the three first season Klingon stories feels right, they are somehow off. In the following seasons the Klingon stories become pretty good.
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Old May 10 2013, 06:05 AM   #141
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Shadows of P'Jem:

This episode is supposed to be a follow-up to "The Andorian Incident". Archer is informed by Admiral Forrest that the sanctuary at P'Jem was destroyed by Andorian commandos, and the Vulcan High Council is blaming Enterprise, and T'Pol in particular, because if they hadn't gone to P'Jem, the Andorians wouldn't have found their little secret listening post. So they're ordering T'Pol back to Vulcan.

She doesn't seem to care, and Archer is upset by this. So he takes her along to Korriban -- oh, whoops, that's Star Wars -- Coridan, a planet under the governmental jurisdiction of the Vulcans. Unfortunately, this government isn't very popular, at least among a group of renegades, who shoot down Archer and T'Pol's shuttle and take them hostage. After enduring a truly embarrassing scene involving Archer and T'Pol trying to wriggle out of their bonds and Archer ending up with a face-full of Vulcan boobage, we are introduced to Sopek, the captain of the Vulcan vessel appointed with the task of taking T'Pol back to the homeworld.

The Vulcans, naturally, are not pleased that their scapegoat has been kidnapped, so they take over the rescue mission. But of course, Trip knows better than to trust those pointy-eared bastards, so he and Malcolm take a shuttle down to the planet anyway. Immediately, they are kidnapped, but hey, what the? It's Shran the Andorian! Who, by a baffling coincidence, has shown up to rescue Archer and repay his debt at the exact same time that the Andorians were reintroduced to the plot by the Vulcans. Crazy, right?

Anyway, they all come to the rescue of Archer and T'Pol, the Vulcans show up, and there's a shoot-out in which T'Pol takes a bullet (well, a phaser blast) for Sopek. Archer convinces Sopek to give T'Pol another chance, and she gets to stay on Enterprise. Guess she'll need some more nasal suppressants from Phlox.

Sigh... Who writes this stuff? With all the political intrigue, you'd think this would have been more compelling. But there were so many loose ends. Enterprise has been in contact with Vulcans, and Admiral Forrest, before this episode, so why are they just now hearing about the destruction of P'Jem? Why did the Vulcans wait months to tell them? To me, it just seems like the writers are just making all this up as they go. There's absolutely no forethought displayed here, as far as I can see.

Also, it's annoying how this "corrupt" government on Coridan, which is controlled by the evil Vulcans, is never really explained, or even seen. And the Andorians just happened to be there... how? Were they helping the rebels? Or were they just there to save Archer? I don't know. Shran's presence on Coridan just felt like a huge plot contrivance.

Things I liked about this episode: Uhhh... Jeffrey Combs is cool?

Worst line ever belongs to Hoshi: "He isn't available right now. Can I take a message?" She has officially become Enterprise's receptionist.
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Old May 10 2013, 06:44 AM   #142
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Yeah Shran's "not being able to sleep at night" was just silly at best. And amazing how getting shot never seriously seems to injure you so long as you're part of the main cast. Gotta love those plot driven weapons. This isn't even the worst time Shran shows up quite obviously as a plot convenience, but you forgive him it because he does it with style.

Of course in a real world, Archer probably would've been relieved after P'Jem. That sort of thing sorta happens when you go out of your way to make your biggest ally mad.
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Old May 10 2013, 07:00 AM   #143
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Yeah... I kind of feel like Enterprise is Star Trek for Dummies. Compared to the other series, this one seems decidedly low-brow; like it's catering to a dumber-than-average audience whose interest is only held by fisticuffs and boobs. I don't need every episode of Trek to be deep, philosophical stuff, but I don't appreciate shows that treat their viewers like idiots, or that assume they won't catch things like lazy writing or blatant attempts at titillation.

Granted, most of television seems to be headed this way. But somehow, I expect better from Trek. They should know that their viewers are smarter than that.
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Old May 10 2013, 01:16 PM   #144
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Ryva Brall wrote: View Post
Yeah... I kind of feel like Enterprise is Star Trek for Dummies. Compared to the other series, this one seems decidedly low-brow; like it's catering to a dumber-than-average audience whose interest is only held by fisticuffs and boobs.
This is sort of obvious when they originally billed the series as Enterprise, without the Star Trek: prefix. Apparently it was an attempt to draw in viewers who wouldn't watch something with "Star Trek" in the title, but it also served as just another slap in the face for loyal Trek fans. All such a plan could have achieved was to trick unsuspecting new viewers into watching it, who would then be mad at being suckered: "Enterprise, that sounds interesting-- WTF!? This is just Star Trek! Those lying bastards!"
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Old May 10 2013, 01:56 PM   #145
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Of course in a real world, Archer probably would've been relieved after P'Jem. That sort of thing sorta happens when you go out of your way to make your biggest ally mad.
I don't think so. The pre-enlightenment Vulcans are imperial dicks and Archer was totally right to let the Andorians destroy the surveillance facility in P'Jem.
About the episode, it its not as good as the previous or the following Andorian-Vulcan story but I take a weak forming of the UFP story over an average ENT episode any day.


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Yeah... I kind of feel like Enterprise is Star Trek for Dummies. Compared to the other series, this one seems decidedly low-brow; like it's catering to a dumber-than-average audience whose interest is only held by fisticuffs and boobs. I don't need every episode of Trek to be deep, philosophical stuff, but I don't appreciate shows that treat their viewers like idiots, or that assume they won't catch things like lazy writing or blatant attempts at titillation.

Granted, most of television seems to be headed this way. But somehow, I expect better from Trek. They should know that their viewers are smarter than that.
When the show was about deep philosophical stuff like in Dear Doctor you seemingly did not appreciate it.
About boobs, have you ever seen TOS? T'Pol's or Seven's catsuits are nothing compared to Theiss wear and Roddenberryian sexploitation.
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Old May 13 2013, 12:45 AM   #146
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When the show was about deep philosophical stuff like in Dear Doctor you seemingly did not appreciate it.
Ehh... Like I said, I didn't think that was a badly written episode. I just didn't agree with the morals of it. (Or lack thereof.)

Everyone tells me ENT gets a lot better after Season Two. I continue to live in hope.

Speaking of hope...

Shuttlepod One:

An episode light in plot, but heavy in character development. Trip and Malcolm are stranded in a shuttlepod with only a few days' worth of oxygen, after mistakenly assuming that Enterprise has been destroyed. Male bonding ensues.

I... liked this episode. I must say I'm surprised, especially since it was written by Berman and Braga (in my opinion, the worst Trek writers of all time). But once in a while, they manage to pull one off. In this case, though, I think most of the credit has to go to Connor Trinneer and Dominic Keating. I loved them both in this episode. Their characters seemed like real people, having real conversations. And the subject of contention between them -- namely blind optimism vs. cynical realism -- was consistent with both their characters. Trip chooses to hope for the best, no matter the circumstances, while Malcolm believes in accepting the inevitable, and preparing for it. I can see the value of both sides.

This episode had its weak points. For one thing, I find it hard to believe that Trip, the chief engineer, would look at one piece of Enterprise's hull scattered among debris of an alien ship, and come to the conclusion that Enterprise had been destroyed. You'd think he would know better. Then again, he also thinks that hair and fingernails continue to grow after death. (Total BS. And not surprising that Berman and Braga don't know that. Their grasp of science is flimsy, at best.)

Despite these flaws, this was a solid episode. I'm surprised that I like Trip and Malcolm as much as I do. They're such completely different characters. But for once, I'm surprised in a good way.
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Old May 13 2013, 12:57 AM   #147
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Bottle shows often turn out to be quite good and I don't think that Tucker and Reed would have become friends if it weren't for this episode. They are not as good as Bashir and O'Brien but they have some nice and funny buddy moments.
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Old May 13 2013, 06:43 PM   #148
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Whooo, I got the day off!

Fusion:

Enterprise gets help charting a nebula from some very interesting Vulcans, and we learn that jazz music gets T'Pol all hot and bothered.

This was a good episode, for about the first half-hour. And then it became an allegory for rape. (By the way, how is it possible that mind melds are an abandoned practice in ENT, when they're in common use in the later series? This would have to imply that these renegade Vulcans had some impact on the Vulcan majority, and I just don't see that happening.) They couldn't just have an episode about Vulcans trying to balance logic and emotions successfully, could they? Instead, it ended up being about T'Pol's repressed sexuality. It's almost like Berman and Braga feel they're incapable of holding their audience's interest unless they incorporate sex into every episode. So that's what they do. Bah.

The thing is, they really don't have to. There were other aspects of this episode that were good. I liked that these Vulcans (except for Tolaris, or as I like to call him, Creepy McGee) were all seemingly successful at embracing emotion without abandoning logic. I liked Trip's friendship with Kov, the amiable, chubby Vulcan; especially their conversation about football. The line "They're not trying to kill the quarterback!" made me laugh.

Also, I think I'm finally getting some insight into T'Pol's character. She may be a pretty crappy Vulcan, with her haughtiness and disrespect and irritatingly un-Vulcan use of contractions, but at least it's not entirely because of bad writing. Evidently, she kind of knows she's a crappy Vulcan, which is why she has to work constantly at maintaining her self-discipline. Actually, the moments where T'Pol started to lose control of her emotions demonstrated, in my opinion, Jolene Blalock's best acting in this series so far. She proved she can do more than be sarcastic and pouty.

Still, I prefer the dignified, enlightened Vulcans of the previous series. I think I need to go watch some TOS. I miss Spock.
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Old May 13 2013, 08:25 PM   #149
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I think season 4 gives a good answer to the mind meld problem
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Old May 14 2013, 03:03 AM   #150
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Shuttlepod One was a fun episode and can show a light hearted side without them just being plain silly or incompetent. I just wish there was more follow up between Reed and Tucker on this one. Sure they're friends the rest of the series, but you don't see -too many- moments like this one later on. The episode isn't perfect and you can nitpick it easy enough, but it's enjoyable and makes up for that.

Fusion... well more Evil Vulcan Syndrome in the form of mind rape. T'Pol really would've been better written as a half human, her self control really is always close to the surface. Later episodes try to explain this away and fix this mind meld blunder as mentioned. Enterprise really just yanks the Vulcans back and forth around like a yo-yo.
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