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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Rate episode 7x08 Cold War
Geronimo! 34 27.42%
NIce Warrior! 66 53.23%
lukewarm 21 16.94%
Will spring never come? 3 2.42%
Dive Dive Dive! 0 0%
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Old April 15 2013, 06:26 PM   #106
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Nitpick: the captain has four stripes on his uniform, which means he is an O7 captain. However, my understading is that submarines usually have an officer with a lower rank for its captain, like a Commander or even a Lt. Commander. Or are things different in Russia (or were different in Soviet Russia)?
In Soviet Russia, the sub commands you!

I'm sorry, that was bad.

I really liked it, I didn't like it more than the other episodes but I didn't hate them as much as seems to be the popular opinion.

And I did have a bit of an RTD flashback when the professor wanted the Doctor to kiss him.

Was I the only one who thought of the Scooby Doo episode with the caveman frozen in a block of ice?

(yes)
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Old April 15 2013, 06:51 PM   #107
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For most of this season I've been too disappointed to even bother saying so. I was sure that by this seasons end I'd probably be saying my good-buys to the Doctor for good but Cold War has renewed my faith. Nice Warrior!

For me, what some people have said made CW boring/bad/etc. was what made it work. Just a simple Dr. Who story told in the classic style. The STORY was where the sparkle lie, not in the elaborate sets/special effects, hoards of aliens or cutesy choreography of the last episodes.
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Old April 15 2013, 07:15 PM   #108
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^ Well said!
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Old April 15 2013, 08:08 PM   #109
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Wow Smith's doctor really is 2nd doctor 2.0


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For the homage to really work, though, Clara would need to wear the same outfit as Zoe.
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Old April 15 2013, 08:15 PM   #110
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That was the second Doctor? God I remember watching that when I was a kid.
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Old April 15 2013, 08:32 PM   #111
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I remember it from a series of repeats called The Five Faces Of Doctor Who from the early Eighties. I think I enjoyed The Krotons quite a lot.
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Old April 15 2013, 08:41 PM   #112
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The Krotons is excellent!
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Old April 15 2013, 08:56 PM   #113
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Loved it... And big points for me, for the shoutouts to Ultravox... Being a big Ultravox fan from back in the day, I was glad to see them get a holla!
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Old April 16 2013, 12:45 AM   #114
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Nitpick: the captain has four stripes on his uniform, which means he is an O7 captain.
Counter-nitpick: Four stripes (in the USA) means an O-6 Captain. O-7 is called "Rear Admiral (Lower Half)".

However, my understading is that submarines usually have an officer with a lower rank for its captain, like a Commander or even a Lt. Commander. Or are things different in Russia (or were different in Soviet Russia)?
1. Things are undoubtedly different in Russia.
2. For the longest time American Ballistic Missile Subs were always commanded by a four-strip O-6 Captain. This change sometime in the late 90s I believe. So if that had been an American sub in the same time frame as this episode, it would have been quite appropriate for the CO of the boat to have four stripes on his sleeves.

For what it's worth, a Russian Naval officer with four stripes on his sleeves in 1983 would be called a "Captain 2nd Rank", equivalent to a US Navy Commander (O-5) with three sleeve stripes..
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Old April 16 2013, 01:46 AM   #115
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Nitpick: the captain has four stripes on his uniform, which means he is an O7 captain.
Counter-nitpick: Four stripes (in the USA) means an O-6 Captain. O-7 is called "Rear Admiral (Lower Half)".
Shit, you have no idea how many times I've made that mistake! Damn, this is kind of embarassing.
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Old April 16 2013, 05:30 AM   #116
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Don't sweat it. To err is human.
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Old April 16 2013, 11:48 AM   #117
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I wanted to vote Nice Warrior but I realized that was because Mars being the source planet made me happy and if that was all that tipped it out of lukewarm that was not enough.

I couldn't get over the Professor having his nice little cheering-Clara chat while sitting in an OPEN DOORWAY with his back to a room/corridor from which the enemy could easily come. No one sits with their back to an open doorway while fleeing for their life from an mysterious alien.

Also the 80's name dropping seemed unusually lame.

It was a gazillion times better than last week though.
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Old April 16 2013, 12:36 PM   #118
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Wonderful episode! David Warner, Liam Cunningham, submarine adventure, the return of the Ice Warriors and a very wet Clara. Can't ask for much more than that.

Loved all of the small references to The Second Doctor and I hope there are more to come. While I didn't initially like the whole "escape from the armor" bit, it did grow on me and it's a nice update to the Ice Warriors. The only two things I didn't like about this episode was that it was a few minutes shorter than usual and there wasn't nearly enough David Warner. Maybe he was too busy being awesome villain to Tom Baker's The Fourth Doctor in the current season of Big Finish audios.

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Did anyone take note when the Ice Warrior mentioned the "old times" and it seemed to put the Doctor almost off-kilter? It took me back to Lady Peinforte's conversation with the Doctor in the 25th anniversary story Silver Nemesis, which I think is being added to the iPlayer catalogue today. In that story Peinforte referred to the "Old Time" on Gallifrey, a time of chaos, and raised what we now think of as the First Question. Could be nothing, of course.
Actually, I thought more along the lines of Big Finish's The Judgement of Isskar.


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I can actually nitpick the sets and militaria to quite a degree this week, though - I've been aboard a cold war era former Soviet sub, and they're nothing like that bloody spacious (I know, a production necessity), nor do they have smooth floors, refer to the control room as the bridge, nor have FN Browning Hi-Powers as the crew's sidearms. Though it's nice to see the AKs (or more likely Norinco copies) actually used in the correct period, rather than the year five billion for a change...
All those nitpicks aside (all valid but, in the end, don't really matter), the only thing that bothered me was when Captain Zhukov called the bulkheads "a wall." As a sailor, I couldn't help but be bugged by that.

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Old April 16 2013, 12:53 PM   #119
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Wonderful episode! David Warner, Liam Cunningham, submarine adventure, the return of the Ice Warriors and a very wet Clara. Can't ask for much more than that.

Loved all of the small references to The Second Doctor and I hope there are more to come. While I didn't initially like the whole "escape from the armor" bit, it did grow on me and it's a nice update to the Ice Warriors. The only two things I didn't like about this episode was that it was a few minutes shorter than usual and there wasn't nearly enough David Warner. Maybe he was too busy being awesome villain to Tom Baker's The Fourth Doctor in the current season of Big Finish audios.

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Did anyone take note when the Ice Warrior mentioned the "old times" and it seemed to put the Doctor almost off-kilter? It took me back to Lady Peinforte's conversation with the Doctor in the 25th anniversary story Silver Nemesis, which I think is being added to the iPlayer catalogue today. In that story Peinforte referred to the "Old Time" on Gallifrey, a time of chaos, and raised what we now think of as the First Question. Could be nothing, of course.
Actually, I thought more along the lines of Big Finish's The Judgement of Isskar.


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I can actually nitpick the sets and militaria to quite a degree this week, though - I've been aboard a cold war era former Soviet sub, and they're nothing like that bloody spacious (I know, a production necessity), nor do they have smooth floors, refer to the control room as the bridge, nor have FN Browning Hi-Powers as the crew's sidearms. Though it's nice to see the AKs (or more likely Norinco copies) actually used in the correct period, rather than the year five billion for a change...
All those nitpicks aside (all valid but, in the end, don't really matter), the only thing that bothered me was when Captain Zhukov called the bulkheads "a wall." As a sailor, I couldn't help but be bugged by that.

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Best Doctor Who Gatiss script? Absolutely. Best Gatiss script period? No. I would say either Poirot's "Hallowe'en Party" or Sherlock's "The Great Game" were better, although they're both adaptations.
Sorry I did mean his best Who script, it's always annoyed me somewhat that he's written so many sub par Who eps when I know he can write good stuff!
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Best Doctor Who Gatiss script? Absolutely. Best Gatiss script period? No. I would say either Poirot's "Hallowe'en Party" or Sherlock's "The Great Game" were better, although they're both adaptations.
Sorry I did mean his best Who script, it's always annoyed me somewhat that he's written so many sub par Who eps when I know he can write good stuff!
Very true. He seems to have the same problem as Chris Chibnall who has written some great non-Doctor Who scripts (even with Torchwood) but his Doctor Who scripts haven't been the best (although his latest efforts, "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship" and "The Power of Three" were fairly good).
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