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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Rate episode 7x08 Cold War
Geronimo! 34 27.42%
NIce Warrior! 66 53.23%
lukewarm 21 16.94%
Will spring never come? 3 2.42%
Dive Dive Dive! 0 0%
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Old April 14 2013, 10:20 AM   #61
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Re: Poll: 7x08 Cold War review and discussion

I think they skipped a few bits early on, it was a bit jarring but it settled down after a while. If I had a quibble it's that this was an episode that could have done with being a little bit longer, but the flip side is that being a 2 parter would have ruined it.
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Old April 14 2013, 11:27 AM   #62
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An improvement on last week's...whatever the hell that was, but still nothing remarkable. Basically a cross between Aliens(s), The Hunt For Red October and the first X-Files movie, with an Ice Warrior thrown in for good measure. Clara still does nothing whatsoever for me, and having her save the day with her speech and "singing" was a bit much. Still, Smith is always eminently watchable, David Warner is generally good, and it was nice to see an Ice Warrior again (as opposed to the done-to-death, turn-up-so-often-they're-boring-beyond-belief Daleks and Cybermen).

The best of the three to date, but given how crap I found the first two to be that isn't saying very much at all.
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Old April 14 2013, 11:36 AM   #63
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can't decide whether this episode is itself really excellent, or after last weeks it just seemed like it. however still probably my favorite new-who story since the creepy gasmask child ww2 chris ecclestone one
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Old April 14 2013, 11:51 AM   #64
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Re: Poll: 7x08 Cold War review and discussion

I liked this a lot more than the others so far. Not quite there, and Clara is still a blank, as far as I'm concerned, but fairly solid.
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Old April 14 2013, 12:13 PM   #65
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But what was the crap where it was just hands coming out of the shadow like an assassin?

That was totally out of character.

But then making them biomecnanoid just turns the ice warriors into half assed Cyberman and it's it's all technology, why cose that shape which is so unike their physical form set obviusly a biological avatar of some kind... Really, why would factories turn out this standard design when every "Icewarrior" can have their armour peronally modified and detailed if they are still people on the inside and not programmed and conditioned wetwar.

Who did the Martians fight?

Was there another planet in the solar system with life other than the Modaians?

Maybe the Silurians?

Or did their civil wars extendnto space?

Retroactively after the formation of a world gvernment, all wars between humans will be seen as "civil wars".

Sutek was on Earth but the forcefield holding him in place was projected form Mars.
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Old April 14 2013, 01:06 PM   #66
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I gave it another average grade like last week, I liked the Ice Warrior and it had little good bits here and there but it just felt like it was missing something

Clara is still entertaining though am more inteested in her mysterey then stand alone episodes at the moment. To be honest I've come to love Moffat more arc stories more than stand alone during his era they are generally more exciting IMO. However next week promo did look like a real peach
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Old April 14 2013, 01:47 PM   #67
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Re: Poll: 7x08 Cold War review and discussion

Thought it was great, like a Troughton episode with a bigger budget really. It was tense, had a couple of nice characters, was thematically relevant and they managed to reintroduce the Ice Warriors in such a way that we want to see them again, AND they're distinct from the Sontarans, which could have been an issue.
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Old April 14 2013, 02:33 PM   #68
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Fantastic! A huge improvement over the past few episodes. Is actually now in my top 3 Smith episodes!

They modernised the Ice Warriors surprisingly well, for once the threat in the story was not laughable, and I loved the fact that we saw an Ice Warrior out of it's shell! The story mixed the honourable good guy warriors of the Pertwee era with the evil warriors of the Troughton era. Wonderfully done, reminded me largely of "Dalek" which is one of my favourite Eccleston adventures.

I love the whole loud stomping thing the new Ice Warriors have going on, I hope they bring them back again soon!
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Old April 14 2013, 02:35 PM   #69
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Ar-Pharazon wrote: View Post
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I've missed most of the second doctor's stuff sadly, a lot of it was lost over time, so its hard to find that era.

Very cool info

I am hoping he messes with the chameleon circuit again
That one does exist. First Troughton story I ever saw, back in 81.
There's a fan theory that the HADS are the wired-in version of the box the Doctor builds back in Web of Fear, to over-ride the Great Intelligence's hi-jacking of the TARDIS... Interesting that he's just turned it on again, if that was the case... :-)
So the GI did actually hijack the TARDIS?

I ask because we still don't know who/what hijacked it in The Big Bang, though I wonder why the GI would want to end the universe, if that was really the plan.
It snagged the TARDIS in space and tried to force it to land in an ambush. The Doctor rigged a device to shift the landing site a bit - hence the connection some fans make with the HADS...
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Old April 14 2013, 04:32 PM   #70
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I really enjoyed this episode, I think more than the last two. Loved the claustrophobic Alien vibe as the "monster" was hunted throughout the sub, and the less-is-more aspect with regards to Skaldak until the not-bad CG reveal (his arms seemed a little too spindly compared to what his big head would suggest though).

The supporting cast was really good too, notably David Warner (in another water disaster situation!), Liam Cunningham (as the Soviet sub captain, his black & white beard wasn't the only call-back to The Hunt For Red October), and that guy who played Brutus in Rome & M's right hand in Casino Royale.

I thought the Ice Warrior himself looked pretty great, and I liked the OMG moment when Clara realized the armour was empty. The CG version of Skaldak wasn't perfect, but it was a lot better than the Gorn in that Enterprise episode. And while the happy-jokey ending seemed to want us to forget the mayhem & death that just transpired, I have to admit I chuckled when the Doctor asked if the captain could give them a lift to the south pole. Also, the Ice Warrior spaceship was pretty awesome.

Gave the episode a NIce Warrior. :
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Old April 14 2013, 05:41 PM   #71
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This was much better than recent adventures. I liked just about every aspect of the Ice Warrior from the suit, to storyline and background. What was lacking oddly enough--in a tight submarine thriller-was any real suspense. David Warner is fantastic and like STV, sadly underused here. l Loved the ending with the sub on the surface and one of the best spaceships ever seen on Dr Who!!

Overall good, but not great.

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Old April 14 2013, 05:42 PM   #72
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The episode did what it said on the tin once again and entertained for the 50 mins it was on, fantastic cast, it got a top vote for the great job they did with the ice warrior and costume, top stuff all round.

I am still somewhat intrested by the Tardis not letting clara in, not seemily translating last week but working this week, and now this week moving by itself to get away from danger, now i wonder if Clara was actualy the danger the tardis was trying to get away from, and was the doctor testing this theory by fixing the auto thing that allowed this??

Or possibly i am simply reading too much into it all.

Anyway roll on next week.
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Old April 14 2013, 06:00 PM   #73
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The episode did what it said on the tin once again and entertained for the 50 mins it was on, fantastic cast, it got a top vote for the great job they did with the ice warrior and costume, top stuff all round.

I am still somewhat intrested by the Tardis not letting clara in, not seemily translating last week but working this week, and now this week moving by itself to get away from danger, now i wonder if Clara was actualy the danger the tardis was trying to get away from, and was the doctor testing this theory by fixing the auto thing that allowed this??

Or possibly i am simply reading too much into it all.

Anyway roll on next week.
Why are so many people making a blanket statement that The TARDIS wasn't translating last week? There must've been 20 different Species in last week's episode, and Clara/the audience understood everyone she interacted with, expect The Barking Lady. The Judoon have never been translated by the TARDIS. Apparently some Species just aren't worth translating in The TARDIS' opinion or maybe she's incapable of translating some
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Old April 14 2013, 06:14 PM   #74
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Really wanted to like this, but just found it a little TOO conventional and by the numbers-- you got a sub stuck on an undersea cliff, you got a creature sneaking around Alien-style and killing people, and then you got a standoff where someone threatens to blow up the ship (which you know is not going to happen so there's no suspense there).

Yeah the Ice Warrior was cool, but that to me was just not enough to make the episode work. And the fact every act of violence was carefully edited out made it hard for me to buy the threat anyway. It didn't help that there was no sense of geography of the sub itself, and that the editing was far too quick and flashy for a story like this.
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Old April 14 2013, 06:31 PM   #75
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It was certainly a traditional episode but it was suspenseful and engaging throughout. I'd class it as the most memorable Series 7 episode so far. Just watched it again and still hugely enjoyed it.
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