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Old April 26 2013, 04:22 PM   #61
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Re: Making the Intepid Class Prototype (Sternbach)

I like that, makes it look less like the Ent-E as well with the nacelles inverted (but upright pylons). I never liked the Ent-E nacelles, they remind me of running shoes or something.

Nice work on the ship!
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Old April 27 2013, 04:18 AM   #62
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No problem Rick. As I thought of perhaps having the 'raised nacelles' version as a refit of this class, I added some extra impulse engines too. Kinda like the Excelsior, I thought the original impulse engines looked a bit weak on the original version. Anyways, here it is: What do you think? I think I still prefer the original...
I think it's an interesting variation. Thanks for indulging me.

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Old April 27 2013, 05:40 AM   #63
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Re: Making the Intepid Class Prototype (Sternbach)

I definitely prefer it with the pylons up. There's something about the pylons angled upward that suggests flight and speed that you don't get from downward pylons. That's just how I see it, anyway.

Does the ship have aft-facing torpedo tubes? If not maybe those could go in place of the center impulse engine now that you've added those extra engines.
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Old April 27 2013, 06:11 AM   #64
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Re: Making the Intepid Class Prototype (Sternbach)

I'd have to say I prefer it with nacelles down. It gives the ship a more individual look.
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Old April 27 2013, 03:44 PM   #65
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I'd have to say I prefer it with nacelles down. It gives the ship a more individual look.
Agreed. I would also add that I think that the nacelles-down configuration makes the ship look more sturdy overall. More of workhorse sort of design, which I like.
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Old April 27 2013, 05:21 PM   #66
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Re: Making the Intepid Class Prototype (Sternbach)

It is good to get away from the standard Enterprise layout, good as it is (there's a reason they went with it originally after all). You can have downwards pylons work, a good example would be the Akira, D7, or Miranda. You can use certain tricks to make the design look less grounded. An example would be on the D7, the nacelles aren't vertical, they are angled inwards slightly, this gives a little "nervous energy" to the design, like someone on tip-toes. I think some refinement of the nacelles and pylons would help the design look a little less grounded.
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Old April 28 2013, 02:37 PM   #67
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This is the Intrepid Class starship prototype designed by Rick Sternbach. Many thanks to Mindless-Productions for the use of their Type 11 shuttle and simobassa for the use of his Nemesis Drydock.

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Old April 28 2013, 09:37 PM   #68
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I like the raised nacelles--what with the V for Victory stance.
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Old April 28 2013, 09:58 PM   #69
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I've always preferred the pointy nosed shovel-like primary hull shown in the concepts more than the blunt nosed spoon-shaped nose of the final version of the Intrepid class. I especially love the sketch where the primary hull looks flatter and wider, than what was chosen in the end.

I think it was a good thing that this design element was used for the Nova class and the Prometheus class.

By the way, Mr. Sternbach, if you happen to read this, I want you to know that the Nova and the Prometheus are among my favorite canon Starfleet designs, up there with the Sovereign class. They play a significant influence in my designs, and the amount of detail that you put into your sketches has influenced me to try to do the same in many of mine (well, at least the ones I post).

I'd have liked it better if the sharp nose and the wider looking stance of the saucer, like in the bottom concept sketch in the image below, and used that with the secondary hull that was used for the final design:

I also like how the secondary hull starts to become thinner in the top concept sketch, and how it transitions from thicker to thinner by a section of the hull curving, as opposed to having a section of the hull that has a faceted look.

I don't know if I like it as much as the simpler overall curves of the secondary hull of the final design, but it makes for an interesting design element.

And I like how the front edge of the bridge and the edge of the fan-tail is rounded and curves better than how they are blunt in what we ended up with, like what is shown in the top image, and Calamity_si's model.

I think that the first model that they did before starting all over might have looked better had they used some of these design elements. I also have never liked how the first model looks taller, as opposed to being flatter, and more splayed out, like something fast waiting to take off.

The final thing I can't help but notice is that most of the concepts are have better phaser arcs, with aft dorsal phasers on the secondary hull. This interestingly enough seems to have been remedied for the model used in STO.

Oh, and by the way Calamity_si, your model of Sternbach's concept looks fantastic! Your modeling skills have improved dramatically from what you had when you entered that Enterprise-F contest.
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Old April 29 2013, 12:36 AM   #70
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Nice work. It is great to see the design realized.
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Old April 29 2013, 02:39 AM   #71
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I'd hate to be the guy that has to use the lifeboat under the nacelle pylon!
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Old April 29 2013, 05:32 AM   #72
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Great ship. Would love to have seen it in action on screen.
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Old April 29 2013, 01:37 PM   #73
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Thanks for the kind comments guys. I'm still working on some renders. I'm basing them around the idea that this was originally going to be the Intrepid class but was abandoned at the last minute in favour of the existing design. The keel lay in drydock for almost a year and was going to be broken up. With the outbreak of the Dominion war, the sudden shortage of Federation ships meant that every keel that could be used, was. In keeping with the DS9 technical manual, many ships were fitted with the basic systems and rushed into service with large swathes of their internal volume left empty. This being one of those ships. It's basically gonna be a good excuse to render this beauty up against some Cardie and Dominion ships.
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Old April 29 2013, 03:56 PM   #74
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I'd hate to be the guy that has to use the lifeboat under the nacelle pylon!
Ha! Nice catch I may have to move that over a bit. Unless that escape hatch is reserved purely for redshirts lol!
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Old April 30 2013, 08:30 PM   #75
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I'm a big fan of this design and this is great stuff! The only thing better is Sternbach's foamboard mock-up of the ship.

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