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Old March 14 2014, 06:18 AM   #1231
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He donated the kidney. He didn't loan it to his brother. It was a gift. By his logic, if he'd given his brother a Maserati last Christmas, he'd want that back too I guess.
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Old March 14 2014, 06:29 AM   #1232
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Oh he was completely irrational. That was a given.

(From memory.)

Brother "Hi, um, you said that you would think about giving me my kidney back. "

Dr. Lara Croft (from a recent video game, but she looks the part apart from the b cup.) "Um, no, I don't believe that I did, um.. Oh Dr Hunt (that guy from Rome, you haven't seen Rome? So uberviolent and hypersexual.) I was wondering if we ever give back organs that have been donated?"

Hunt "No. Never. It's illegal."

(And it goes on, but there was a funny bit...)

Dr Lara Croft "There is no way that we can give you your kidney back"

Brother "See! You admit it! It's my kidney!"
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Old March 14 2014, 09:44 AM   #1233
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When we do something, do we always know every single possible risk? I suspect not, as sometimes something unforseen can occur that the creators/inventors never even thought could happen.
At the time of the episode, transporters had been in use well over one hundred years.

From Memory Beta
"By the 24th century, most space-faring civilizations of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants employed transporter technology for short-range transport of personnel and equipment. There were many advantages to utilizing transporters.

Traveling by transporter was essentially instantaneous and an individual's sense of time while transporting was effectively non-existent. Benjamin Sisko and Harry Kim, while training at Starfleet Academy in San Francisco, frequently transported to New Orleans and South Carolina, respectively, to see their parents. (DS9: "Explorers"; VOY: "Non Sequitur")"
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Transporter

So yes I do think that all the people in the Federation knew about transporters and in general come to expect to be moved from one point to another safely. I am also relatively sure that Star Fleet had a policy of protecting the safety and the individual rights of the people that chose to serve. You wouldn't get too many volunteers if you didn't.
100 years, 1000 years etc.. what differences does the time make. Unforseen events can still occur. Once an unforseen event occurs engineers/scientists can work on designing new safety systems to prevent that event from occuring occuring.
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Old March 14 2014, 10:14 AM   #1234
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Kirk was split in two, and recombined 105 years earlier, Sonak was turned into a puddle of screaming meat 90 years earlier, Riker was doubled 20 years earlier, 3 years earlier 1/2 a dozen crew had to fished out of Enterprises Transporter buffer by Barclay after they had been stuck there for a week... Shit happens.
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Old March 14 2014, 06:39 PM   #1235
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So yes I do think that all the people in the Federation knew about transporters and in general come to expect to be moved from one point to another safely. I am also relatively sure that Star Fleet had a policy of protecting the safety and the individual rights of the people that chose to serve. You wouldn't get too many volunteers if you didn't.
Air travel has been around for over 100 years, and planes still don't make it to their destination.

Train travel has been around for well over 100 years, and trains still derail.

Shit happens. People die.

People also go into Star Fleet understanding that exploration is not without risks.
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Old March 14 2014, 10:27 PM   #1236
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So yes I do think that all the people in the Federation knew about transporters and in general come to expect to be moved from one point to another safely. I am also relatively sure that Star Fleet had a policy of protecting the safety and the individual rights of the people that chose to serve. You wouldn't get too many volunteers if you didn't.
Air travel has been around for over 100 years, and planes still don't make it to their destination.

Train travel has been around for well over 100 years, and trains still derail.

Shit happens. People die.

People also go into Star Fleet understanding that exploration is not without risks.
And airlines are subject to rules and they can be held responsible for the times when shit happens and people die. Yet even when airplanes have accidents, it is still the safest mode of transportation and people getting onto airplanes have a reasonable expectation to getting off that airplane at their desired destination.
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Old March 14 2014, 10:43 PM   #1237
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The problem is there is no money so who do you sue when you get squished into someone via the transport or see the horror that is your double and are mentally traumatized afterwards?
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Old March 14 2014, 10:45 PM   #1238
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"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires, both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
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Old March 14 2014, 10:49 PM   #1239
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The problem is there is no money so who do you sue when you get squished into someone via the transport or see the horror that is your double and are mentally traumatized afterwards?
21st century Suing = 24th century Petitioning changes in the law (no warp travel above warp 5 because it toxic to the ecology of space!) = 24th century official complaints to get some complicit, perhaps incompetent fucktard fired.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:19 AM   #1240
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I've not seen the episode in over 10 years at least, so I have to ask...

In that month or so that Tuvix was aboard, did he ever go on any landing party missions via transporter? If they had beamed him back down immediately after he first appeared, and he magically turned back into two people again, I guess the episode could have been over by the end of the first act.
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Old March 15 2014, 01:32 AM   #1241
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It wasn't specified.

The split was caused by some exotic flowers getting mixed in the matter streams causing the two crewmen to bond.

During the episode we saw the Doctor experimenting with the flowers and other biomatter making hybrids and then making unfortunate messes whenever he tried to separate his hybrids.

Just imagine this stuff weaponized.

A boarding crew of 80 armed bastards beams over only to discover that upon materialization, they had become one really confused bloke.

Would their 80 guns and uniforms and underwear combine like Tuvix and Neelix's clothes combined?

In Deadlock, did they say that a boarding party of 400 Vidians could beam over or did beam over?
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Old March 15 2014, 04:38 AM   #1242
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Somewhat less than that already there, but more were on the way.
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Old March 15 2014, 04:52 AM   #1243
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(thank you)

I would have thought that 400 hundred Vidiians and 142 Federations couldn't have fit less comfortably than sardines inside that rickety barge, but then they played taxi for 200 hundred Klingons and everything seemed fine.
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Old March 15 2014, 08:22 AM   #1244
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Ah, but blood wine can smooth over so many rough edges.
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Old March 15 2014, 08:41 AM   #1245
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Ch'Rega used bloodwine as lube with Neelix?

Thanks for that graphic & painful mental image.

As punishment, it's now in your head too.
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