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Old April 13 2013, 05:43 AM   #196
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Personshood.
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Old April 13 2013, 05:54 AM   #197
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Janeway needs her coffee making kitchen rat, Tuvix is just gonna have to go if Voyager is ever gonna get home.
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Old April 13 2013, 06:13 AM   #198
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I for one question whether or not the Tuvok and Neelix who were brought back out of Tuvix were actually the same beings as the originals. I think it's more accurate to call them identical copies.
You can say the same thing about every character that ever went through the transporter.
No, there's uninterrupted continuity of consciousness when the transporter works normally. Tuvok and Neelix clearly did not have an uninterrupted continuity of consciousness; their consciousnesses ceased to exist and Tuvix's consciousness developed.
OK, I just really love this line of argument. And I love it because you're using neurophysiology to argue your case. Seriously, you win the internets tonight.

One of the reasons this is one of my favorite episodes in all of StarTrek, is because the science behind the science fiction is medicine. Good, debate-inspiring medical episodes are rare in sci-fi. It's my science. I'm thrilled when they toss me a bone.

("Critical Care" was another--a bit ham-fisted, but dealing with the trenches I'm in every day: the politics & the economics of the distribution of medical care. I had to love it).
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Old April 13 2013, 06:17 AM   #199
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Well, there you have it. Tuvix's TC was too low.
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Old April 13 2013, 06:22 AM   #200
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Well, there you have it. Tuvix's TC was too low.


Apparently, it was...
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Old April 13 2013, 07:51 AM   #201
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Plenty of jokes.
Really?

This thread has less laughter than Tuvok.
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Old April 13 2013, 09:12 AM   #202
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How many Talaxian/Vulcan transporter Hybrids does it take to screw a lightbulb?

Just one, but you have to tie the Doctors hands tight to the bed posts.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:31 PM   #203
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Watching a TV show means accepting its internal mythology, so all the real life arguments in the world have no bearing on whether or not the Doctor should be considered sentient.

Just like the fact you can't go faster than light in real life doesn't mean you can't accept warp drive in a TV show.

Obviously they couldn't leave Tuvix in one piece because Tuvok and Neelix are main characters. But the way they ended it was just plain murder, they could have made the decision not to kill him then 'Whoops, Vulcan and Talaxian genes aren't compatible it turns out, he's going to die anyway' like they do in most episodes like that one.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:37 PM   #204
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. . .they could have made the decision not to kill him then 'Whoops, Vulcan and Talaxian genes aren't compatible it turns out, he's going to die anyway' like they do in most episodes like that one.
This is a significant point. They took a risk with a different resolution rather than having Tuvix go through a physical deterioration due to the accident.
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Old April 14 2013, 12:31 AM   #205
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We're not sure if they remember being Tuvix.

If they did remember everything, a month is a very long time to go with out masturbating. Maybe it's not very long for Tuvok, but I doubt Neelix can last 3 days without some quality alone time.
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Old April 14 2013, 12:47 AM   #206
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That explains why Neelix had hair everywhere.
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Old April 14 2013, 12:54 AM   #207
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Even on his tongue?

Space Yoga kicks the shit out of Earth Yoga.

Sexual stuff aside, the memories they'd walk away withwould have been complexly embarrassaring.

Just cleaning everything.

Before Tuvix, Tuvok did not feel compelled to sniff his own armpits after washing them with a moist towel to make sure the soapy smell stuck.

Hmmm.

If Tuvix had argued successfully for his life, then what about Kes later in Warlord?

(Or would she have abandoned ship in disgust by that point since they all killed her lover?)
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Old April 14 2013, 12:58 AM   #208
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And what about Tuvok's katra? Will that be part Talaxian when the Vulcans finally get it out on the metaphysical dissection table?
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Old April 14 2013, 01:05 AM   #209
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Janeway needs her coffee making kitchen rat, Tuvix is just gonna have to go if Voyager is ever gonna get home.
Wasn't Tuvix a better cook than Neelix, though (Probably becuase he wasn't tryig to shoehorn that crappy tasting root into everything). So by the logic the coffee would taste better so keeping him around is a better idea.
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Old April 14 2013, 01:08 AM   #210
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Janeway needs her coffee making kitchen rat, Tuvix is just gonna have to go if Voyager is ever gonna get home.
Wasn't Tuvix a better cook than Neelix, though (Probably becuase he wasn't tryig to shoehorn that crappy tasting root into everything). So by the logic the coffee would taste better so keeping him around is a better idea.
Like hair dressers, and bartenders, you don't lightly change baristas.
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