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Old April 10 2013, 07:44 PM   #16
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Honorable mention to the Hartnell Historicals (other than The Aztecs [which I thnk is awesome] and The Romans [which is hilarious])
Ah, what else survives? Oh, Gunfighters, of course. Pretty dreadful, but after that they're missing or incomplete...
Reign of Terror is now animated Ep 4 and 5
The Crusade has half it's episodes and the other two have been fan reconstructed
The Masacre and Marco Polo can also be found as Fan Reconstructions

Though I confess, I haven't bothered trying to watch the Marco Polo reconstruction yet because it's so long. I do not to watch the Fan Reconstructions of all of Hartnell at some point, I've tried the Historicals aside from Marco Polo, but, there are still many of the SciFi oriented Hartnell Reconstructions I need to watch, so, I'll probably give Marco Polo a shot when I go through Hartnell again
I know, but I always think that you can't really judge something by reconstructions, even the animations, as you can't see what directorial flourrshes - or slip-ups - there are (Galaxy 4, has been pretty universally thought to be more interesting than it sounded, for instance). Though obviously in the case of Reign and Cruade half the story is there, so that's enough.
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Old April 10 2013, 08:13 PM   #17
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I haven't seen anywhere near all of them. The idea of telling which one's the best, knowing it's not even half as good as the story next to it I haven't seen, feels like missing out in an idiotic manner, but a bad story is just something where there's not much to see, unless it causes some larger harm. I doubt there's any one Doctor Who story that hurts people more than the rest, as tastes vary, and if there was some harmful message stronger than what you receive every day in some way, it would have already come up in all this chatter about the show.

Maybe seasons 23 and 24 are the most damaging for driving away viewers that could have prevented the second impact. But that's whole seasons. Cold Blood's shock I got over with, and that's the only one that was in a different league from the others, but not any more. Arc of Infinity while okay on its own, is the worst anniversary season opener ever, as it remakes The Deadly Assassin with some even older villain, so it feels like there are no more ideas left in the show.

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Old April 10 2013, 08:32 PM   #18
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Re: Bottom 5 Episodes/Serials

The Twin Dilemma
The Gunfighters
Love and Monsters
Time and the Rani
Horror of Fang Rock

IMO, The Girl Who Waited is fantastic.
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Old April 10 2013, 09:20 PM   #19
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What? The Girl Who Waited is appalling.
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Old April 10 2013, 11:22 PM   #20
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5 - Love and Monsters
4 - Love and Monsters
3 - Love and Monsters
2 - Love and Monsters
1 - Love and Monsters

I think The Christmas Carol is the best of all the Christmas Specials. And The Girl Who Waited was a great one too.

There have been a number of episodes where the build up was great and the ending was a major let down. Journey's End is the first one that pops into mind.
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Old April 11 2013, 08:27 AM   #21
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The Twin Dilemma
The Gunfighters
Love and Monsters
Time and the Rani
Horror of Fang Rock

IMO, The Girl Who Waited is fantastic.
I don't think I've seen anyone hate Fang Rock before, I love it, but that's what's so great about Who, there really is something for everyone.

I haven't seen every Who story ever made (still in existance anyway) and even those I have seen with some it's been a while (so while I have seen The Twin Dilemma it's probably a good 15 years (at least) since I have so I can't in all concience put it in a bottom 5.

Classic Who wise I'd say Claws of Axos, The Leisure Hive, The Two Doctors (such a waste) Dragonfire and Ghostlight.

Nu Who; Fear Her, New Earth (notwithstanding the phenomanal bit where Cassandra dies in her own arms which almost redeems it) 42 (yawn inducing) Curse of the Black Spot and maybe last week.

Trouble is, especially in Nu Who, there's usually something to redeem most episodes, take last weeks, overall a bit meh yet still had a lump in my throat near the end
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Old April 11 2013, 10:47 AM   #22
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The Twin Dilemma
The Gunfighters
Love and Monsters
Time and the Rani
Horror of Fang Rock

IMO, The Girl Who Waited is fantastic.
I don't think I've seen anyone hate Fang Rock before, I love it, but that's what's so great about Who, there really is something for everyone.

I haven't seen every Who story ever made (still in existance anyway) and even those I have seen with some it's been a while (so while I have seen The Twin Dilemma it's probably a good 15 years (at least) since I have so I can't in all concience put it in a bottom 5.

Classic Who wise I'd say Claws of Axos, The Leisure Hive, The Two Doctors (such a waste) Dragonfire and Ghostlight.

Nu Who; Fear Her, New Earth (notwithstanding the phenomanal bit where Cassandra dies in her own arms which almost redeems it) 42 (yawn inducing) Curse of the Black Spot and maybe last week.

Trouble is, especially in Nu Who, there's usually something to redeem most episodes, take last weeks, overall a bit meh yet still had a lump in my throat near the end
i don't viciously hate Horror of Fang Rock or anything. i think more than anything it was just disappointing. most of the stories from Tom's last year were pretty meh, but its been so long since i've seen them i couldn't justify putting any in my bottom list.
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Old April 11 2013, 10:55 AM   #23
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This is my trouble too, there are stories it's just been so long since I've seen, or I haven't seen at all (A lot of Hartnell)
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Old April 12 2013, 08:36 AM   #24
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Honorable mention to the Hartnell Historicals (other than The Aztecs [which I thnk is awesome] and The Romans [which is hilarious])
Ah, what else survives? Oh, Gunfighters, of course. Pretty dreadful, but after that they're missing or incomplete...
Reign of Terror is now animated Ep 4 and 5
The Crusade has half it's episodes and the other two have been fan reconstructed
The Masacre and Marco Polo can also be found as Fan Reconstructions

Though I confess, I haven't bothered trying to watch the Marco Polo reconstruction yet because it's so long. I do not to watch the Fan Reconstructions of all of Hartnell at some point, I've tried the Historicals aside from Marco Polo, but, there are still many of the SciFi oriented Hartnell Reconstructions I need to watch, so, I'll probably give Marco Polo a shot when I go through Hartnell again
Marco Polo is actually worth watching. Kinda drags near the end and is anticlimactic but it actually has some good conflict for the first half of that story. But then again the format for the show led a ton of the stories to drag with 10-12 parts sometimes. The modern era sometimes has the opposite problem though.
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Purely as an experiment, since I think there was nothing wrong with them in the first place, I think it would be interesting if someone took an old Doctor Who serial and edited it into one 45-minute show, trimming the fat and adding some Murray Gold music or a similarly contemporary soundtrack. I think it would be interesting.
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Old April 12 2013, 01:52 PM   #26
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Purely as an experiment, since I think there was nothing wrong with them in the first place, I think it would be interesting if someone took an old Doctor Who serial and edited it into one 45-minute show, trimming the fat and adding some Murray Gold music or a similarly contemporary soundtrack. I think it would be interesting.
Just all comes down to how well written the stories are. There have been a fair share of badly written modern era stories in the 45 minute format.
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Old April 12 2013, 02:58 PM   #27
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Purely as an experiment, since I think there was nothing wrong with them in the first place, I think it would be interesting if someone took an old Doctor Who serial and edited it into one 45-minute show, trimming the fat and adding some Murray Gold music or a similarly contemporary soundtrack. I think it would be interesting.
That would work for many of the 4 episode stories, but, Pertwee and erlier are mostly stories with more than 4 episodes, so, although I think some of them could be shortened a bit, I think many of them if you crammed them into a single 45 minute episode, you would butcher than
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Just all comes down to how well written the stories are. There have been a fair share of badly written modern era stories in the 45 minute format.
No doubt about that. And in fact, the reverse experiment would be interesting too, but it's easier to edit an episode than to expand it.

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That would work for many of the 4 episode stories, but, Pertwee and erlier are mostly stories with more than 4 episodes, so, although I think some of them could be shortened a bit, I think many of them if you crammed them into a single 45 minute episode, you would butcher than
Of course, you'd have to select the right story for that. For most of them, it wouldn't work. But even a long Pertwee serial like, say, Frontier in Space, is basically made of the Doctor escaping from prison and being captured again (and again and again), so there may be a way to trim the whole thing down to the bare essentials. It wouldn't be the same, of course, but that's the point, isn't it?
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Old April 12 2013, 06:37 PM   #29
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I don't really have 5 I don't like

My least favorite is "42" It's very contrived and I think it totally wastes a Hitchhiker's refrence.

The Waters of Mars is my very close second. It has some great moments, but it mostly reminded me of the vastly superior Silence in the Library just earlier in the year.
Various impossible things happen in Dr Who, but I just can't believe that woman just went home and nipped right off and shot herself in the lobby.

I'm not sure about 3 more. I really like Doctor Who.
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Old April 12 2013, 08:47 PM   #30
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The worst thing about WoM is how much padding there is early on, and then how rushed it is at the end. Seriously if Time Lord Victorious lasts more than 30 seconds I'd be surprised!
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