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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"
Geronimo! 15 11.72%
Good 50 39.06%
Average 36 28.13%
Bad 18 14.06%
Terrible 9 7.03%
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Old April 7 2013, 02:09 PM   #106
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The point of view character does not need to be from this Earth though. Luke Skywalker is the point of view character in Star Wars and he's from a desert planet. It's assuming the audience are utterly thick to think that they won't be able to relate to anybody not local.
I think you're the one who's making that assumption. The writers' assumption, is, I think, that the show is a study of contrasts and that it works much better when the eccentric alien is paired with a relatively normal contemporary human, just as Sherlock Holmes works best when paired with John Watson rather than, say another eccentric detective. Again, what you're describing here is the Ghost Cop & Martian Cop show, and I find that absolutely silly.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:20 PM   #107
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The doctor took a massive chance here I thought. The only person that really seemed in trouble was the little girl. Everyone else on the seven planets had been getting along just nicely the last few millennia - they didnt seem particularly enslaved or anything. They just sacrified a little girl every thousand years or so to keep the peace.
Yeah last time I checked the Doctor didn't have a let people die becuase interfering with that is wrong for some reason rule. Or else earth would have been screwed during all those alien invasions seeing as it was only one planet being affected.

Im not saying its right but I doubt Picard would have intervened...
Yeah, and Picard once tried to let an entire civilization die becuase he couldn't be bothered to save as it was against the (at this point) pseudo religious version of the Prime Directive the TNG era Starfleet follows.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:20 PM   #108
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I thought this was a pretty cool episode. Pretty decent sci-fi stuff what with all the aliens including a planet-sized life form which is worshipped as a god. And even a sly reference to classic Who ("I was here long ago with my granddaughter.")

The Doctor's speech to the god planet thing is definitely a defining moment and Matt Smit's coolest scene since the Stonehenge speech in The Pandorica Opens. It was a bit too damn predictable that Clara's leaf was going to be used to resolve things. I thought for sure she was going to trade that in to get the hoverbike. Since she didn't it came as no surprise she used it against the planet thing.

On the nitpick side of things, what were the Doctor and Clara breathing while flying on the hoverbike?

Still, an excellent serving from a new writer, and I look forward to his other episode later on this season. Not to mention, next week we have Ice Warriors on a frekaing Soviet submarine! I think this is shaping up to be the best season/half-season since Moffat took over.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:23 PM   #109
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I think you're the one who's making that assumption. The writers' assumption, is, I think, that the show is a study of contrasts and that it works much better when the eccentric alien is paired with a relatively normal contemporary human, just as Sherlock Holmes works best when paired with John Watson rather than, say another eccentric detective. Again, what you're describing here is the Ghost Cop & Martian Cop show, and I find that absolutely silly.
Well, I maintain your argument makes zero fucking sense as we're seeing Clara from The Doctor's point of view due to her mysterious, strange, timey-wimey nature. The Doctor is our point of view character in this scenario.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:24 PM   #110
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Oh and I really liked the "we don't walk away" bit.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:24 PM   #111
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The companion as a modern-day human is fine, and it's one of the easiest ways to make the companion relatable to the audience. It only becomes annoying when the companions become interchangeable. One of the reasons I didn't like Martha is because she seemed like a re-hash of Rose, spending her whole season swooning over the Doctor. Donna was a nice change because she had a totally different personality.

Right now, unfortunately, Clara is just a nice girl. It's not a bad thing, but it's a little boring. I'm excited to see how she develops over the rest of the season. Her future Dalek self and her Victorian self had way more personality than her modern-day self, but it's possible that that's part of her mystery.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:26 PM   #112
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Well, I maintain your argument makes zero fucking sense as we're seeing Clara from The Doctor's point of view due to her mysterious, strange, timey-wimey nature.
That was unnecessarily rude. You shouldn't get so worked up about that kind of thing.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:37 PM   #113
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Well, I maintain your argument makes zero fucking sense as we're seeing Clara from The Doctor's point of view due to her mysterious, strange, timey-wimey nature.
That was unnecessarily rude. You shouldn't get so worked up about that kind of thing.
To be fair, yeah that does seem ruder than I intended when I wrote it. Ignore the swear word.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:41 PM   #114
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To be fair, yeah that does seem ruder than I intended when I wrote it. Ignore the swear word.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:12 PM   #115
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Much more memorable than last week. Felt quite epic, if a bit constrained by budget. But I love the concept of the angry god that feeds on souls, defined here as stories. And here comes the doctor with so many amazing, awful, wonderful, soul destroying stories that it gets nearly overwhelmed. (then Clara finishes it off). It's a reminder of just how much the Doctor has been through and how much he has both made and destroyed.

Music was maybe a bit overdone? I was wondering if it should be kept to the singing without the orchestral stuff kicking in.

Also I'm liking Clara slightly more with each ep. A bad start with the gabbling about soufles, but I could get to like her.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:19 PM   #116
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On the nitpick side of things, what were the Doctor and Clara breathing while flying on the hoverbike?
Clara had the AC going on the hoverbike.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:19 PM   #117
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Felt like they could have done more with the episode. I think have things tied into each other more in some way. A little richer story telling.

Looked pretty though.

But whores look pretty too.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:22 PM   #118
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Felt like they could have done more with the episode. I think have things tied into each other more in some way. A little richer story telling.
This honestly felt like it could have been a two-parter. I barely even remember this episode having a middle.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:31 PM   #119
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Re: 7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

The Doctor is a point of view character as is Clara not that either's point of viewness has anything to do with anything and there is a tiny bit more contrast in histories than with a Victorian one but not really. And it does not make a character weird to be a foreigner even if I'm setting the opposite example.

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Old April 7 2013, 04:01 PM   #120
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I much prefer Clara to the Ponds. I was willing them to leave.
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