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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"
Geronimo! 15 11.72%
Good 50 39.06%
Average 36 28.13%
Bad 18 14.06%
Terrible 9 7.03%
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Old April 7 2013, 03:38 AM   #46
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Re: 7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

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Fabulous. My wife and I were both in tears, we both loved the association of souls and stories and memories... It was so much more literary and mythical than we expected.

Doubtless the majority will have hated it, but it was a favourite for us.
Hear hear. This was a fantastic episode, much better than Bells of St. John. I preferred Victorian Clara or Oswin Oswald after last week, but now I like Modern Clara.

Some Beast Below to it, but that's certainly no bad thing. The singing, the visuals, all the talk of memory and civilization and souls, just brilliant. I assume from the tone of the ending that Grandfather winking out didn't destroy the system and would have liked that to be more clear, but that's the only quibble.

As to Clara being locked out of the TARDIS? Well, she doesn't have a key. Also, I assume Sexy preferred Amy since Clara's referred to her as a Snog Box and seems like she might mean it.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:44 AM   #47
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Re: 7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

Very enjoyable episode. I loved the sentimental gift economy and how it played a part at the end (which, in itself, made up for the prologue which I wasn't initially keen on). Visually it was gorgeous with its wide variety of aliens (but would it have killed them to have a familiar face or two?). Also loved the Susan reference even if it took them nearly 8 years to do it! Hell, I'm still bummed out Gaiman didn't do it in "The Doctor's Wife."

My only two complaints about this episode were the guardsmen being mostly useless for the story (and a waste for the production) and the face on the sun's surface to personalize it. I loved the idea of sentient sun but the face was over the top.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:44 AM   #48
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Oh dear.

Not much of this made sense, and even the bits that made sense didn't particulary interest.

Smith acted his socks off at the end to try and save it, but I'm not sure how the monster-thats-actually-a-sun was defeated by a leaf.

So the seven planets now have no sun?

I love Doctor Who but this was right down there with the worst.
I'm not quite remembering it all, so here goes:

The sun god creature was a parasitic lifeform that every thousand years wakes up and needs feeding with psychic energy. In particular that generated by negative emotions and memories; the aliens use a girl and implant all of the stories of their culture, which I then presume causes the appropriate mental conditions required to make this tasty sacrifice work, and offer her up to it so that their god will be sent back to sleep.

However thanks to his interference in this process, the Doctor himself instead offered it his thousand or so years of pent up negative psychic energy to feed on, and tried to gorge it to sleep again, if not, to death. The Doctor almost got it all the way there, but it needed just an extra push past the post, which Clara provided by offering up her family's life story, embodied by the leaf that allowed her parents to first meet.

I've probably got some of this horribly wrong.

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Old April 7 2013, 03:47 AM   #49
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My only two complaints about this episode were the guardsmen being mostly useless for the story (and a waste for the production)
Figure fodder?
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Old April 7 2013, 03:53 AM   #50
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What episode was the Doctor referencing when he said he's seen a universe created at the whims of a madman? The only thing I can think of is "Castrovalva", something about the Master creating a new reality and trapping the Doctor in it, something like that?
How about the Master of the Land of Fiction, seen in The Mind Robber? Or perhaps the Celestial Toymaker?
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Old April 7 2013, 04:09 AM   #51
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It was decent. Seems to be mainly there to set up stuff for later though, mainly through Clara's backstory.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:12 AM   #52
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Why didn't the Doctor just take the Tardis to the temple and get the girl when she got there instead of buying the Moped etc..?
"I don't take the TARDIS into battle."
"Because it's made of wood?"
"Because it's the most powerful ship in the universe and I don't want it falling into the wrong hands."

Moffat's explained it.
That's a bunch of Moffett bull, he has used the Tardis countless times in perilous situations. Has he become that insecure about it.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:22 AM   #53
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Oh dear.

Not much of this made sense, and even the bits that made sense didn't particulary interest.

Smith acted his socks off at the end to try and save it, but I'm not sure how the monster-thats-actually-a-sun was defeated by a leaf.

So the seven planets now have no sun?

I love Doctor Who but this was right down there with the worst.
I'm not quite remembering it all, so here goes:

The sun god creature was a parasitic lifeform that every thousand years wakes up and needs feeding with psychic energy. In particular that generated by negative emotions and memories; the aliens use a girl and implant all of the stories of their culture, which I then presume causes the appropriate mental conditions required to make this tasty sacrifice work, and offer her up to it so that their god will be sent back to sleep.

However thanks to his interference in this process, the Doctor himself instead offered it his thousand or so years of pent up negative psychic energy to feed on, and tried to gorge it to sleep again, if not, to death. The Doctor almost got it all the way there, but it needed just an extra push past the post, which Clara provided by offering up her family's life story, embodied by the leaf that allowed her parents to first meet.

I've probably got some of this horribly wrong.
This episode definitely could've been clearer about some things. A lot of stuff was sketchily explained if at all. Things like the memory consumption, what it did to the Doctor, what went wrong with the song, breathing in space, what the space mummy did, planet or sun and so on.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:38 AM   #54
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"I don't take the TARDIS into battle."
"Because it's made of wood?"
"Because it's the most powerful ship in the universe and I don't want it falling into the wrong hands."

Moffat's explained it.
That's a bunch of Moffett bull, he has used the Tardis countless times in perilous situations. Has he become that insecure about it.
Even if we ignore that he has taken her into battle many times, how does parking the TARDIS in a random spot and driving a few miles stop it from potentially falling into the wrong hands? This so-called explanation really makes no sense.

I still don't see the point of modern Clara, wasn't her dying in the future and showing up in the past mysterious enough. I really would have preferred a victorian companion to another present day chick.
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Old April 7 2013, 04:45 AM   #55
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Gave it a average. Not the worst and not the best.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:01 AM   #56
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It was very entertaining. I liked the Doctor able to open up a little more easily about his past by referring to Susan. The angry, lonely, last of the Timelords is tiresome. Clara also seems to be growing aware that the Doctor has more going on than he is telling her. Her comment about everyone having a plan last episode, and recalling the Doctor at her mother's funeral, shows her sharpness and awareness that the Doctor has found fascinating in Clara's other encounters with him. So far, this season with Clara is very satisfying. Also, Jenna and Matt are making a great pair in the Tardis.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:04 AM   #57
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Awful.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:08 AM   #58
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That's a bunch of Moffett bull, he has used the Tardis countless times in perilous situations. Has he become that insecure about it.
He never had a prolonged two-way, emotionally-charged conversation with it before, either.
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Old April 7 2013, 05:31 AM   #59
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You have to forgive the singing. They have to have something for the Doctor Who at the Proms for this year.

I'm still waiting for Katherine Jenkins to sing at the proms!
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Old April 7 2013, 05:42 AM   #60
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Ok, I know this is a minority opinion, but I'll say it anyway.

The more I watch Doctor Who, the more I don't like Murray Gold's score. Granted, there's some good stuff there, but WHY DOES THE MUSIC HAVE TO BE SO LOUD. Maybe I am old (I'm 28 by the way), but I'm watching this episode and the story is fast paced and actually quite enjoyable, but I'm not understanding WHAT ANYONE IS SAYING BECAUSE THE MUSIC IS SO BLATANTLY LOUD. What I got out of this episode is there is a false belief that people have to be sacrificed for the civilization to survive yet the show decides to say that is poppycock and it's just an alien sun monster thing who looks like Zordon from Power Rangers who needs the souls of this civilization to survive. Did I get that right? Oh, and the faith is based on beautiful music.

I actually did like this episode quite a bit, probably more than last week's but the music almost killed it for me. The bits I did like the most though was learning about Clara as a little girl, and the theme of memories being the sum of all of us. That final scene where she gives up the leaf was quite emotional, and for a companion joining the Doctor for the first time and doing that and figuring it all out, I think this is my favorite type of that episode, better than End of the World or Beast Below or whatever the one that featured Martha. I just wish the music was quieter, because there are some good scores, but I don't like how Gold just overshadows everything.
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