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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"
Geronimo! 15 11.72%
Good 50 39.06%
Average 36 28.13%
Bad 18 14.06%
Terrible 9 7.03%
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Old April 7 2013, 12:15 AM   #31
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Re: 7X07 The Rings of Akhenaten (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

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The tardis probably doesn't like Clara because she's "impossible" as the doctor says. Probably a paradox or something, and the tardis hates them.
Or the door was locked.
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Old April 7 2013, 12:28 AM   #32
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the bit where the drs talking to the little girl, its all touching and heartfelt but the over the top 'ba-dada-dada'! trumpets and strings in the background absolutely ruined that moment.

they may as well bring back keff and his casiotone if thats the best murray gold can be arsed to do
Over-the-top's effective if the rest of the scene's just as over-the-top and effective too. Fitting tonally. Maybe it sounds too goofy? The scenes' meant to be a bit goofy too.
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Old April 7 2013, 12:31 AM   #33
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You have to forgive the singing. They have to have something for the Doctor Who at the Proms for this year.
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Old April 7 2013, 12:51 AM   #34
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Ok, pretty poor. Trying to work out why, but definitely in contention with Fear Her, Next Doctor, Planet of the Dead and the Rise of the Cybermen pair for weakest episode since the revival.
In part, I think it's that it was the modern day version of the bolting-together-Who-cliches stories approoach that produced Timelash and Warriors of the Deep. Then it was an old friend of the Doctor's who been mutated and become vengeful, or a magic chemical that could kill the monsters and gets mentioned in the first scene; now it's a child, some sort of appeal to the threat, and so on.
Not a Time and the Rani, Threshold, etc, level of bad, but also... only a few steps above TOWIE as a waste of airtime.
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Old April 7 2013, 12:57 AM   #35
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I think the little girl doctor scene as part of a larger sequence was meant to feel victorious, as the normally more fitting tender tone would have been too ill-fitting to the larger sequence, not necessarily if the pace was different, but it was what it was, and that part was done a bit differently to accommodate the pace, so no major tonal change, just a bit less suspense for that bit, this tone makes sense too, if just slightly worse than if it wasn't made to accommodate the sequence.
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Old April 7 2013, 01:24 AM   #36
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the bit where the drs talking to the little girl, its all touching and heartfelt but the over the top 'ba-dada-dada'! trumpets and strings in the background absolutely ruined that moment.

they may as well bring back keff and his casiotone if thats the best murray gold can be arsed to do
Over-the-top's effective if the rest of the scene's just as over-the-top and effective too. Fitting tonally. Maybe it sounds too goofy? The scenes' meant to be a bit goofy too.
It happened a bit suddenly so there was especially much air of weirdness, so purposefully making that bit of the music the most over-the-top, so the slight goofiness of the music's also the most there, helps avoid a wtf kind of tonal dissonance, that could emerge from the weirdly optimistic sudden storytime.
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Old April 7 2013, 01:42 AM   #37
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Or the door was locked.
Or someone just doesn't understand how writer's work.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:22 AM   #38
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More clues about the bigger arc. The psychic "what if"ness of the leaf intermingling with all of the Doctor's memories, and the fact that the TARDIS doesn't like Clara, will be important things to remember.
Another thing: The Doctor's sonic screwdriver. He was treating it this episode like Linus' security blanket or Indiana Jones' bullwhip (or Four's scarf, for that matter)! Again and again he acted like a dick when it came to holding on to it - making Clara give up her ring to get that Flash Gordon airbike instead of the sonic, for instance. For a while I figured 'Grandfather' was waking up, not because the little girl got the song wrong, but because the Doctor was the only one not giving up a gift (meaning the sonic)! At the end I was certain he was going to have to give it up to feed the parasite, but again Clara comes to his rescue with the leaf.

What was with that?? I mean come on, he's lost the sonic before and built a new one to replace it (or Sexy provides him with one). What was Moffat doing there?
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Old April 7 2013, 02:28 AM   #39
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They seem to have skipped the part where they normally put the plot. They had a good setup, and an okay climax. . . but no actual plot. The space moped just shoots them straight through from A to Z like throwing Frodo on the back of an Eagle at Rivendell and taking him straight to Mt. Doom.
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Old April 7 2013, 02:43 AM   #40
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More clues about the bigger arc. The psychic "what if"ness of the leaf intermingling with all of the Doctor's memories, and the fact that the TARDIS doesn't like Clara, will be important things to remember.
Another thing: The Doctor's sonic screwdriver. He was treating it this episode like Linus' security blanket or Indiana Jones' bullwhip (or Four's scarf, for that matter)! Again and again he acted like a dick when it came to holding on to it - making Clara give up her ring to get that Flash Gordon airbike instead of the sonic, for instance. For a while I figured 'Grandfather' was waking up, not because the little girl got the song wrong, but because the Doctor was the only one not giving up a gift (meaning the sonic)! At the end I was certain he was going to have to give it up to feed the parasite, but again Clara comes to his rescue with the leaf.

What was with that?? I mean come on, he's lost the sonic before and built a new one to replace it (or Sexy provides him with one). What was Moffat doing there?
Here's a rationalization. The Doctor presumably could've offered his bowtie or the glasses (I'm assuming they're Amy's though the frames looked different to me). We also see him rooting through Clara's lifeline trying to figure her out along with the TARDIS rejection bit. So maybe he was seeing if she had something with sentimental value as a test to see if she was the real McCoy or maybe as a character test?
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Old April 7 2013, 02:52 AM   #41
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That was a very solid episode!

My only complaint is the mummy bit... if the girl knows everything how did she not know that the mummy was a fake-out? or that the god was the huge freakin' sun?

What episode was the Doctor referencing when he said he's seen a universe created at the whims of a madman? The only thing I can think of is "Castrovalva", something about the Master creating a new reality and trapping the Doctor in it, something like that?
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Old April 7 2013, 03:04 AM   #42
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Why didn't the Doctor just take the Tardis to the temple and get the girl when she got there instead of buying the Moped etc..?
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Old April 7 2013, 03:09 AM   #43
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Why didn't the Doctor just take the Tardis to the temple and get the girl when she got there instead of buying the Moped etc..?
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Old April 7 2013, 03:18 AM   #44
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Hmmm ... there was an effort at something big here. The whole theme of precious memories rang like a bell throughout the episode. I like it when a show tries to shoot for something like that.

The whole Akhenaten system seemed to prize the concept, from that star to the surrounding inhabitants. I bet there was a lot more going on in the original concept that didn't make it through to the final translation, and that's just too bad.

I loved the diverse mix of aliens, I liked the creepy seekers. I'm puzzled that the TARDIS wasn't doing much (if any) translating for Clara ... that's something to keep an eye on. Green Lantern might be right about her.

I even liked the idea of a parasitic planet that feeds on memories finally getting stuffed on an infinite variety of alternative outcomes that never happened.

I didn't like a face on the Parasite Planet or the barking bit with Doreen, and it's a shame the bigger concepts didn't gel better at the end. At least not for me.

I was generous and gave the episode an average in the hope that themes from it will reverberate throughout the season.
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Old April 7 2013, 03:18 AM   #45
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They seem to have skipped the part where they normally put the plot. They had a good setup, and an okay climax. . . but no actual plot. The space moped just shoots them straight through from A to Z like throwing Frodo on the back of an Eagle at Rivendell and taking him straight to Mt. Doom.
Where the plot happens in a less hikey manner.
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