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Doctor Who "Bigger on the inside..."

View Poll Results: Grade "The Rings of Akhaten"
Geronimo! 15 11.72%
Good 50 39.06%
Average 36 28.13%
Bad 18 14.06%
Terrible 9 7.03%
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Old April 7 2013, 06:34 PM   #136
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I like Martha, or at least the idea of her. I just didn't like the character assassination that RTD performed on her throughout series 3.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:35 PM   #137
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I much prefer Clara to the Ponds. I was willing them to leave.
No one likes companions once they're gone, or so it seems.
That might be the most amazing part of Fandom. I do remember how popular Rose was, yet now it feels like revisionist history. Same thing is happening with the Ponds now.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:35 PM   #138
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I like Martha, or at least the idea of her.
What was the idea of her beyond hot chick who fancies the Doctor?
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Old April 7 2013, 06:41 PM   #139
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It is kind of annoying that all the companions nowadays have to have something spectacular happen to them for them to leave the Doctor. Whatever happened to the old days where they just got tired of it and wanted a change? Rose is off in another dimension, Martha joined Torchwood, Donna got her memory wiped clean and the Ponds got trapped in the past forced to live out their live (happily though).
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Old April 7 2013, 06:48 PM   #140
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What was the idea of her beyond hot chick who fancies the Doctor?
Are you really asking? Martha's story was about quite explicitly about unrequited love.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:52 PM   #141
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I like Martha, or at least the idea of her.
What was the idea of her beyond hot chick who fancies the Doctor?
Admittedly I suppose 'potential' would have been a more fitting word. However what I saw in her first episode was an independant, smart medical student who was very much in control of her life and feelings. Who then got turned, throughout the run, into the exact character you just described.

I seem to remember RTD mentioning during one of the podcasts, that were released after the episodes aired, that Phil Collinson wasn't a fan of what he did to Martha, mostly the 'unrequited love' angle, that became the whole focus of her relationship with the Doctor.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:58 PM   #142
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I like Martha, or at least the idea of her. I just didn't like the character assassination that RTD performed on her throughout series 3.
I thought it was pretty clear from the start that Martha had the hots for him, so I never saw any inconsistency there. And while I agree it would have been better if they had never gone there in the first place, I thought Freema herself still had more than enough personality and charm to make up for it.

It was only later, when they tried to make her some kind of badass UNIT agent, that I thought the character felt really off.
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Old April 7 2013, 06:59 PM   #143
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I find that puzzling. Surely unrequited love is a theme we can all sympathize with to some extant? What's the problem with that?
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Old April 7 2013, 07:00 PM   #144
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Yeah I didn't care for her joining UNIT at all. I would have rather she just turned out to be a highly skilled Doctor who'm The Doctor turns to occasionally for help after she left.
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Old April 7 2013, 07:14 PM   #145
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I liked the episode for the most part (the early bits with Clara & Merry, the Doctor visiting points in Clara's past, the Hellboy II-esque alien bazaar, the visuals), but my mind started to wander with the god planet stuff, the operatic weirdness, and the Doctor's shouty storytelling to the planet. It'll definitely require a rewatch.

Oh, and in response to whoever mentioned Clara resembling Amy in the episode poster art, I thought that too the first time I saw it. I guess it's the orangey tinge the artist decided to give her hair.
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Old April 7 2013, 07:35 PM   #146
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What episode was the Doctor referencing when he said he's seen a universe created at the whims of a madman? The only thing I can think of is "Castrovalva", something about the Master creating a new reality and trapping the Doctor in it, something like that?
I thought "The Three Doctors" but there are probably a couple of stories that fit the description.
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Old April 7 2013, 07:43 PM   #147
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Good. Like last week, one notch below the top grade. Definitely entertaining and interesting. The realization of the far out setting was fantastic. Top notch for creativity. However, the resolution was weak, very weak. I suppose it was trying to build the mystery surrounding Clara, but't it's got to stand on it's own. It fell short there.

So, was the reference to Susan (unless he has other Grandaughters), a throwaway line or is it of importance? Where did the Doctor vanish to? Was he off on another adventure? If we were supposed to gather some mysteriouness from the Doctor's visits to Amy's past, I missed it other than just seeing the importance of the leaf.

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Old April 7 2013, 07:54 PM   #148
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Which is funny to me, because while I definitely enjoy the whacky adventures, I watch Doctor Who for the people. The main reason I can forgive some of the nonsensical storytelling of Moffat's Silence/River/whatever arc is because I was so very moved by how those events affected the characters on an emotional level.
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I much prefer Clara to the Ponds. I was willing them to leave.
No one likes companions once they're gone, or so it seems.
That might be the most amazing part of Fandom. I do remember how popular Rose was, yet now it feels like revisionist history. Same thing is happening with the Ponds now.
Somebody needs to save the show from the fans. I still love Rose. And the Ponds. And Martha. And Donna.

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What was the idea of her beyond hot chick who fancies the Doctor?
Are you really asking? Martha's story was about quite explicitly about unrequited love.
"Eww, what is this icky lurve crap?!?!"
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Old April 7 2013, 07:56 PM   #149
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They seem to have skipped the part where they normally put the plot. They had a good setup, and an okay climax. . . but no actual plot. The space moped just shoots them straight through from A to Z like throwing Frodo on the back of an Eagle at Rivendell and taking him straight to Mt. Doom.
That's an excellent way to put it and a HUGE part of the problem. The fact that the actual resolution was poor made it even worse.

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Old April 7 2013, 08:12 PM   #150
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Aaaaand I want to point out that the big, red, glowy thing wasn't a sun. It was a planet.
And, the planet would be Akhenaten, as named in the title. So, the title is finally relevant to the story and people miss it!

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