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Old June 28 2013, 10:40 PM   #31
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Re: decision regarding Rugal incomprehensible!

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I don't think we can be sure that his father, and the rest of his family, were "Space Fascists." Not all Cardassians were like that
Indeed. Kotan Pa'Dar may have lived on Bajor for a time, but he was one of the civilian politicians who ordered the withdrawal of Cardassian forces there. (That's the whole reason he and Dukat were at loggerheads.) We may have no idea what the Pa'Dar family was like at home, all we can go on is this episode. And all indications are that Kotan was a loving father, or at least wanted the chance to be one.
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Old June 28 2013, 10:53 PM   #32
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Re: decision regarding Rugal incomprehensible!

Kotan's intentions may not be relevant given the kind of environment around him.

As for the "Cardassians are wrong" this may actually be a way of keeping Rugal safe. If he, a Cardassian, says he knows the occupation was wrong and what was done to the Bajorans was evil--that could save him a lot of grief.
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Old June 28 2013, 10:56 PM   #33
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Re: decision regarding Rugal incomprehensible!

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Kotan's intentions may not be relevant given the kind of environment around him.
In what way? Kotan is a politician, apparently of some importance in the Cardassian government. He is in a position to shape Cardassian policy, for better OR worse. And given he ordered the withdrawal, I'm inclined to believe the former.
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Old June 28 2013, 11:40 PM   #34
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In what way? Kotan is a politician, apparently of some importance in the Cardassian government. He is in a position to shape Cardassian policy, for better OR worse. And given he ordered the withdrawal, I'm inclined to believe the former.
Kotan's career is over, either way, they indicated in the episode. Having left his child behind, Dukat's machinations aside, will permanently tar him in Cardassia's family obsessed culture.

But no, honestly, I'm referring to the fact that parents are far from the only influences a child has. At 15 years of age, Rugal isn't a completely malformed ball of clay either.

The ideas he holds in his head will be dangerous in a society like the Cardassians and they will attempt to either brutalize it out of him or simply imprison him if he attempts to act upon them.

It's a parents worst nightmare but very true fact they can't control everything around their children.
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Old June 28 2013, 11:49 PM   #35
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The ideas he holds in his head will be dangerous in a society like the Cardassians and they will attempt to either brutalize it out of him or simply imprison him if he attempts to act upon them
I don't think so. Whatever happens to Kotan's career, he would still hold considerable influence in Cardassian society. (Non-canon though this may be, in the novels the Pa'Dar family is portrayed as wealthy and of high social standing on Cardassia.) He would be in a position to shield Rugal from any Cardassians who try to hassle him because of his beliefs.
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Old July 3 2013, 09:57 PM   #36
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I've never understood why the commanding officer of a Federation starbase had any authority in deciding a custody dispute between Bajoran and Cardassian citizens. Rugal was a Bajoran citizen and lived on Bajor; this dispute, from a Federation POV, should clearly have been kicked over to a Bajoran court to decide.

Meanwhile, anyone interested in Rugal's story should pick up the DSN novel The Never-Ending Sacrifice by Una McCormack. It tells the story of Rugal's life on Cardassia throughout the remainder of the series.
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Old July 3 2013, 10:03 PM   #37
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I've never understood why the commanding officer of a Federation starbase had any authority in deciding a custody dispute between Bajoran and Cardassian citizens. Rugal was a Bajoran citizen and lived on Bajor; this dispute, from a Federation POV, should clearly have been kicked over to a Bajoran court to decide.
IIRC, Sisko was the arbiter because both Pa'Dar and Proka asked for him to be. They considered him a neutral party.
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Old July 3 2013, 10:06 PM   #38
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Re: decision regarding Rugal incomprehensible!

Not to mention I'm sure there's some sort of silly provision in Bajoran law that the word of the Emissary is law. Heck, they were willing to return to a freaking caste system on the say so of that artist guy who was Emissary for that one episode.
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I've never understood why the commanding officer of a Federation starbase had any authority in deciding a custody dispute between Bajoran and Cardassian citizens. Rugal was a Bajoran citizen and lived on Bajor; this dispute, from a Federation POV, should clearly have been kicked over to a Bajoran court to decide.
IIRC, Sisko was the arbiter because both Pa'Dar and Proka asked for him to be. They considered him a neutral party.
Irrelevant; the competing parties do not have standing to determine the state's jurisdiction. This is clearly a matter for Bajoran courts to determine, and Sisko should have kicked it over to them.
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Old July 4 2013, 12:31 AM   #40
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Re: decision regarding Rugal incomprehensible!

^ Yeah yeah yeah, coulda/woulda/shoulda. But they didn't, did they?

Besides, like R just said, Sisko *is* the Emissary. I doubt the Bajoran court system - if indeed it even had one so soon after the occupation - was much inclined to question his judgment.
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Old July 4 2013, 03:30 PM   #41
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And even if it weren't, are we sure the idea of third party arbitration being legally binding wasn't part of Bajoran law?
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