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Old March 31 2013, 09:49 AM   #16
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Re: Neelixes Strongest episode

But it was more than pestering, it was a racial attack. You're too Vulcan Mr. Vulcan, it upsets me that you're so Vulcan so can you be less Vulcan for me because I'm going to interrupt you and disturb you until you stop being so Vulcanny Vulcan because being a Vulcanny Vulcan is INFERIOR to what what I think you should be.
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Old March 31 2013, 09:56 AM   #17
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Had Tuvok really killed Neelix and not just on the holodeck, I could see Janeway making HIM the morale officer?

"You're crying because you're homesick? Go make an appointment with Mr Tuvok so he can flail the tears out of you."
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Old March 31 2013, 09:57 AM   #18
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Suddenly everybody's problems go away!

I bet it was the same with Deanna.
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Old March 31 2013, 10:39 AM   #19
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. . .I bet it was the same with Deanna.
Troi's greatest moment (from "Man of the People")

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TROI: I know I'm certainly tired of it. How do you think it feels to sit and listen to someone whine about themselves all the time?
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Old March 31 2013, 10:42 AM   #20
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Or when Data's asking Troi about these angry emotions he's feeling and Troi encourages him to explore these emotions and see where they lead him. He then joins his evil brother and some Borg hacks in a plot to destroy the Federation. Good call there!
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Old March 31 2013, 10:43 AM   #21
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Their should be parental controls on the holodeck that the Counsellor or the Security chief is alerted when one of the crew starts massacring their fellow shipmates or small animals... Which would have annoyed the Doctor no end during the killing game that he keeps getting these alerts of immoral and improper behaviour on the holodeck that should require him to undertake a psychiatric evaluation of the crew killing and raping other crew.

They were drunk medieval Klingons for hours!

Half a dozen crew would have been found to be aborting Talaxian kittens easily for the next few weeks.
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Old March 31 2013, 10:57 AM   #22
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Their should be parental controls on the holodeck that the Counsellor or the Security chief is alerted when one of the crew starts massacring their fellow shipmates or small animals... Which would have annoyed the Doctor no end during the killing game that he keeps getting these alerts of immoral and improper behaviour on the holodeck that should require him to undertake a psychiatric evaluation of the crew killing and raping other crew.

They were drunk medieval Klingons for hours!

Half a dozen crew would have been found to be aborting Talaxian kittens easily for the next few weeks.
Well Riker, Geordi and Troi all have no problem barging in on Barclay's holodeck sessions without even knocking. So privacy isn't a concern in the 24th century. Why should ethics regarding use of your holographic form exist? That's privacy too isn't it?
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Old March 31 2013, 11:09 AM   #23
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What Barclay was getting up to is exactly why new regulations would have been written.

Brown-nosing, if Riker did it right, he could have skipped Starship Captaining completely and gone straight to Admiral, by pushing ten tons of paperwork through the the Admiralty about the ethical policing of recreational time on the holodeck.
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Old March 31 2013, 04:42 PM   #24
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But it was more than pestering, it was a racial attack. You're too Vulcan Mr. Vulcan, it upsets me that you're so Vulcan so can you be less Vulcan for me because I'm going to interrupt you and disturb you until you stop being so Vulcanny Vulcan because being a Vulcanny Vulcan is INFERIOR to what what I think you should be.

isn't it funny though, that this was essentially what McCoy was doing to Spock in TOS and people loved it?


Neelix actually had a decent number of strong episodes: "jetrel," "fair trade," "mortal coil," and "homeward" come to mind. "Mortal coil" is probably the strongest.
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Old March 31 2013, 05:09 PM   #25
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"Rise" and "Mortal Coil".

Regarding Neelix's intolerance of Vulcan culture, you can't miss it with those two in Tuvix before they are joined. Neelix just does NOT understand. -_- He even uses the word "Tuvok-ian".

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Old March 31 2013, 11:00 PM   #26
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Supposedly Neelix was intended to be the roguish scoundrel type character like Quark was over on DS9. Though intentions didn't factor out into what we got.

Really Neelix was just a jerk who had to force himself upon every situation regardless of how useless or unwanted he is. He has to be the center of attention and has severe jealousy issues. You can't even use a replicator ration or cook something yourself without him getting territorial. To say nothing of his blundering nature as morale officer and ambassador.

No doubt he meant well under it all, but he's just like the annoying house guest who won't go away and just burrows his way into the situation. He genuinely did serve as a paternal figure to Naomi after all. That was probably his most successful role and his scenes in that regard were annoying only because of the child aspect of it more than Neelix's regularly douchebaggery.

For a specific episode of his that I liked... well I'd have to say Fair Trade tops my list. Even in this one he really show how despicable he can be. Sure he lied and stole from his comrades, dealt drugs and was an accessory to murder, but it was all well intentioned. It all just started as him turning a blind eye to a petty crime as a favor to an old friend he owed a lot, and then just spiraled more and more deep. At least then he did the right thing in the end. Still... that's the only episode where I can say I really felt for him, and even then it was just... his own stupidity that got him into it.

Honestly, he demonstrated from Day 1 he was completely untrustworthy. In Caretaker he lies to Voyager's crew about their people being in a Kazon encampment just so he can rescue his girlfriend. Said lie ends up with them getting captured and Neelix escalating the situation by taking their leader hostage and expecting Janeway to get him out of it. Then when Kes falls all over herself to help them in gratitude, which is only proper, he has the audacity to complain saying they don't owe Voyager anything. When all he had to do was tell the truth and Janeway probably would've helped anyways. At least then she'd know she was going into a hostile situation without the Talaxian draft dodger making things worse. How Janeway ever trusted Neelix after that it beyond me. Must be his idolizing of her.
Seriously?
Paris, Torres, Chakotay, Suder, Jonas and half the crew were terrorist, murderers, thieves, liars and traitors to their own government..........but Neelix is untrustworthy and didn't deserve a second chance?
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Old March 31 2013, 11:06 PM   #27
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Well Riker, Geordi and Troi all have no problem barging in on Barclay's holodeck sessions without even knocking. So privacy isn't a concern in the 24th century. Why should ethics regarding use of your holographic form exist? That's privacy too isn't it?
Actually privacy is still a concern. We have seen many times on the Enterprise with quarters that are locked, and Worf needing to use his security code to unlock it to deal with whatever threat.

I think Barclay just forgot to lock his holodeck doors. It is the type of mistake he would make.

There is no policy against using holograms of the people you know, but you probably better stop once they find out.
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Old March 31 2013, 11:12 PM   #28
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"Homeward" is still my favorite Neelix episode.

It was hell of a lot better than "Endgame" as an ending episode for a character!
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Old March 31 2013, 11:12 PM   #29
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Maybe doors don't stay locked for crew above a certain rank?
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There is no policy against using holograms of the people you know, but you probably better stop once they find out.
And put your pants back on.
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