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Old March 31 2013, 03:41 PM   #16
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Re: How widespread is transporter technology?

It's probably easy for private homes to be equipped with rudimentary shielding and/or transporter blocking technology so that no intruders can beam in.
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Old March 31 2013, 03:42 PM   #17
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Re: How widespread is transporter technology?

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It's probably easy for private homes to be equipped with rudimentary shielding and/or transporter blocking technology so that no intruders can beam in.
Just picture the angry phone call from the teenage kid, "Mom will you lower the freakin shields so I can come inside?!"
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Old March 31 2013, 07:45 PM   #18
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...No different from keys, locks and doors today.

Something I noticed about Enterprise (or thought I did) is that in the mid 22nd century, the Vulcans don't obviously have transporter technology. It would be a prideful moment if Humans developed it before they.
I guess Vulcans would be the type to invent the technology and then declare it bio-incompatible for the next five centuries.

However, Andorians certainly have indigenous transporters, placing Vulcans at a distinct disadvantage in such a case, and prompting them to man-rate their devices ASAP. Or to develop them if such tech is still missing from their arsenal.

We do see a fair share of Vulcan shuttlecraft in the show. But do we indeed never see Vulcan transporters in action? How did the strike teams in "Awakening" deploy to the Forge, for example?

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Old March 31 2013, 08:06 PM   #19
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In a world without poverty or mental illness, I don't think that transporter technology would be too problematic.
Who says there is no mental illness in the Star Trek universe, it seems like there are many examples of mental illness in Star Trek. Not to mention there is no evidence the Federation is free of psychopaths and people with personality disorders.

The Federation only did away with economic crimes because of their post scarcity economy, there is no evidence they managed to do away with crime of passion, sex crimes or the impulsive crimes of people with personality disorders.

Having potential psychopaths, serial killers and rapists beam into your house whenever they want seems like a scary prospect.
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Old March 31 2013, 08:12 PM   #20
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Re: How widespread is transporter technology?

Economic crime isn't out yet, either - we see economically motivated theft in "Starship Mine", with at least one obvious representative of a Federation species (Tim Russ as a human) partaking.

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Old April 1 2013, 02:37 PM   #21
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That's a bit unfair. He could had been the son of slave or there are a myriad of other explanations.
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Old April 1 2013, 06:14 PM   #22
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Fair enough... Although I misremembered: three of the six villains (Marie Marshall and Tom Nibley's characters in addition to Russ) were makeup-free humans.

Then again, many a human colony has shown unwillingness to follow the rules of the Federation. Perhaps these three came from an independent world whose crime statistics don't mar those of the UFP?

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Old April 2 2013, 03:27 PM   #23
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For that matter, the stuff around a typical household might not be worth stealing. Why break into someone's home on Earth when pretty much everything there is from a replicator? The time and energy you spend on transporting around could be used to replicate your own thing. It's only when you start stealing stuff like trilithium that it starts becoming worthwhile, and in that sense it may allow you to leap from everyday comforts found on Earth to real value like your own personal spaceship.
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Old April 4 2013, 12:42 AM   #24
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Re: How widespread is transporter technology?

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For that matter, the stuff around a typical household might not be worth stealing. Why break into someone's home on Earth when pretty much everything there is from a replicator?
Depends on what time period you're talking about. Humans have had the transporter since the mid 22nd century, the replicator since about the early 24th. So the general Human population would have had the possibility of home transporters long before the appearance of the replicator.

And there is the question of just how common the replicator is among the "civilian" population in the second half of the 24th century. From various scenes and stories told by characters in the various series, apparently possession of a replicator in private homes is about fifty-fifty.

Aboard a starship, the replicator pretty much is your only option, that wouldn't be the case on the surface of a planet.

And even today, real (mined from the Earth) diamonds are more valuble that synthetic diamonds (out of a reactor). So in the future, what you might be able to steal, could have more value, than what might be replicated.

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The Federation only did away with economic crimes because of their post scarcity economy, there is no evidence they managed to do away with crime of passion, sex crimes or the impulsive crimes of people with personality disorders.
In previous discussions on replicators, it was conjectured that civilian replicators might be hardwired not to produce certain items, for example illegal drugs. Purchasing unreplicable and illegal items would require the means to do so.

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Old April 4 2013, 03:38 AM   #25
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Re: How widespread is transporter technology?

^ Take the Picard family vineyard, for example. Robert Picard refused to allow replicators in his family's home. I'm guessing that Marie continued this tradition even after Robert and René died. So what's to prevent somebody from stealing some of the wine via transporter? Or the Picard family's possessions? You know they've got to have some pretty valuable stuff, wine or otherwise.
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Old April 4 2013, 03:25 PM   #26
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I recall a DS9 episode where Sisko was talking about plucking up the courage to ask a girl out when he was a kid. He went on to say he asked another girl out "before her parents had even finished beaming the furniture in" when they moved next door...

Bear in mind this would have been 15-20 years prior to DS9. I guess it's possible the furniture company had it's own transporter similar to the way a company will deliver sofas today. It's also possible the family beamed their funiture from their old house to the new one, possibly using a public transporter system of some kind.

I'd imagine there are transporter hubs throughout populated areas which are government run and can be used by civilians for approved purposes.
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Old April 4 2013, 06:23 PM   #27
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I'd imagine there are transporter hubs throughout populated areas which are government run and can be used by civilians for approved purposes.
Instead of government run (like public buses), I see the transporter system being more like the world wide telecommunications sytem, interconnected private companies. Or the internet, with various providers providing your transporter service.

On a planet's surface, the majority of transports (imho) would be through cables (wave guides) and not through the air. Unless you wanted to go somewhere really remote, then your matter stream would go by way of one or more satellites.

Beaming furniture in sure would beat moving big couches through narrow hallways with 90 degree turns.

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Old April 4 2013, 06:48 PM   #28
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For that matter, the stuff around a typical household might not be worth stealing. Why break into someone's home on Earth when pretty much everything there is from a replicator?
Depends on what time period you're talking about. Humans have had the transporter since the mid 22nd century, the replicator since about the early 24th. So the general Human population would have had the possibility of home transporters long before the appearance of the replicator.

And there is the question of just how common the replicator is among the "civilian" population in the second half of the 24th century. From various scenes and stories told by characters in the various series, apparently possession of a replicator in private homes is about fifty-fifty.

Aboard a starship, the replicator pretty much is your only option, that wouldn't be the case on the surface of a planet.

And even today, real (mined from the Earth) diamonds are more valuble that synthetic diamonds (out of a reactor). So in the future, what you might be able to steal, could have more value, than what might be replicated.

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The Federation only did away with economic crimes because of their post scarcity economy, there is no evidence they managed to do away with crime of passion, sex crimes or the impulsive crimes of people with personality disorders.
In previous discussions on replicators, it was conjectured that civilian replicators might be hardwired not to produce certain items, for example illegal drugs. Purchasing unreplicable and illegal items would require the means to do so.

Forget illegal drugs, psychopaths with no regards for other people do not need drugs to cause problems. A rapist with transporting tech, can just transport any victim they want to their home, I don't think women or children would be safe if everyone had a transporter.
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Old April 4 2013, 09:44 PM   #29
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Even if criminal tendencies were diminished to the point of nearly non-existent and there weren't many psychological concerns, there's still the physical.

What if a house isn't tidy and you were accidentally beamed into a misplaced object? Who wants their kids' toy inside their feet? No matter how careful you are, something stupid's bound to happen some time.
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Old April 4 2013, 09:59 PM   #30
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Don't even get started on the practical jokers run amok.

"Man, who beamed all my furniture out and replaced it with this crap?"
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