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Old April 2 2013, 04:34 PM   #16
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

heres a part of the legal problem the weapon data had been PRepared to use was NOT humane.

Not that the guy has much right to complain but it is a problem.
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Old April 2 2013, 06:37 PM   #17
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

It would only be a problem if Data had several weapons to choose from, if a not humane weapon is the only one available using it is justified.
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Old April 2 2013, 09:09 PM   #18
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

It's highly unlikely that Data can make a decision without weighing all of the options as well as the likely impact it'll have on himself. That microsecond it would have taken him to weigh his options and to pull the trigger Data KNEW that if killed Fajo he'd be free and could contact Starfleet/the Enterprise and get back home and that'd he have to suffer the consequences upon himself for his actions.

What Data did was pure self-defense/defense of others. If Riker can beam down and vaporize a woman trying to kill the leader of breakaway colony after only giving her a couple of warnings, I'm sure Data can vaporize a man who has just vaporized someone else and is holding sentient beings against their will.

The only problem here is the lie Data tells Riker back on the ship. And it IS a lie in the legal sense, Data with held information either through misdirection or omission. Yes "something" happened during transport that deactivated the weapon but that doesn't change the fact Data pulled the trigger to fire the weapon in the first place.

Just the same, I'm sure Data is full-on in the clear for his actions on the ship and what would have happened if the Enterprise arrived moments later.
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Old April 2 2013, 09:40 PM   #19
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

Trekker4747 wrote: View Post
The only problem here is the lie Data tells Riker back on the ship. And it IS a lie in the legal sense, Data with held information either through misdirection or omission.
I'm not really disputing that he withheld the fact that he purposely fired, but the conversation was hardly legal in nature or even official. Riker didn't even put a question to him directly. It was an offhand remark, as in "Oh... by the by... O'Brien said the weapon was in a state of discharge"

"Perhaps something happened during transport" Yeah, something did happen. He pulled the trigger on that jerk's monkey ass,

Now, it's clear Riker was suspicious of that remark, & if he had followed up with "You know of no specific reason why it would have been discharging? Under that line of questioning, I'm betting Data would have admitted it

But Riker didn't pursue it... purposely. They both knew what that meant, & chose to let it be
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Old April 11 2013, 05:56 AM   #20
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

Fajo had it coming. And Data could never stand to see anyone suffer and after all the suffering that @#%& caused. Data did the right thing. Riker did the right thing for not asking.
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Old April 12 2013, 01:18 AM   #21
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

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Also, Data cannot lie without the emotions chip (which afair hasn't been encountered at this point).
Can he not? He does in Clues. Admittedly he was ordered to by Picard, but I'm not sure if that's significant.
Of course Data can lie. He lied all through "Time's Arrow" about his horseless carriage engine with its "Time shift" gearing system, and about being bloody French. Whether or not they should be considered dishonest in nature, those are still falsehoods, and he can tell them just as much as anyone else, although not quite as well, it would appear
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Old April 13 2013, 03:26 AM   #22
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

I can't even imagine programming a "lying" algorithm. There would be so many variables to take into consideration about how and when Data should lie.
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Old April 13 2013, 04:05 AM   #23
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Re: In the most toys, if The enterpise got the 3 seconds latter

Lore seemed to have no problem with it. Even Data, scrupulously bent the truth a number of times. Even it was usually just by omission or repeating something less than true someone else said.
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