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Old March 29 2013, 12:21 AM   #16
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Re: What if the PTB had been paying attention?

Just like DS9 had what they called "O'Brien Must Suffer" episodes, Voyager must have had "Kim Must Die" episodes.
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Old March 29 2013, 08:29 AM   #17
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ALL FEMALE BRIDGE CREW.

Also, the cook.
They could have had a couple of really hot guys in anti-grav cages on the Bridge, constantly dancing in posing pouches--I'd never have missed an episode!
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Old March 29 2013, 08:40 AM   #18
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But their Casting People sucked.

They wouldn't know a hot guy if they burnt their fingers on his ass.
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Old March 29 2013, 08:45 AM   #19
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I'd love to have seen Tuvok in red, serving as Janeway's XO (something that would re-establish their friendship) then have him replaced at tactical by a woman (I did think Ayala, but there hasn't been a woman as security chief for far too long--even then she didn't last--so they need one in the role). This role could have gone to Jeri Ryan as Lieutenant Annika Hansen, just lose all the Borg implants and backstory.

Replace Kim with an alien officer (Benzite, Deltan, Napean, etc).

Have a random crewmember decide they don't like the uniform and is willing to take over the galley, then become a minor recurring character (I think Chell would work in nicely here, we just to know someone's cooking, we don't need any stories about them).
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Old March 29 2013, 08:58 AM   #20
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I'd love to have seen Tuvok in red, serving as Janeway's XO (something that would re-establish their friendship) .
I read all this waiting to see how it got Tuvok in one of your anti-grav gyrating cages but I see you changed tack.
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Old March 29 2013, 09:55 AM   #21
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Well as a loyal officer he'd follow any orders she gave, so I'm sure he'd get inside when she demanded.
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Old March 29 2013, 09:59 AM   #22
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Janeway: We all have to make sacrifices Tuvok. I'm going without my postprandial coffee in the evening and you're going in the cage.
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Old March 29 2013, 11:27 AM   #23
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Yes.

After we kill off Paris in that men loaded shuttle a tachyon displacement wave nebula envelops the ship and deposits Mirror Universe Lieutenant Stadi onto the bridge. She neatly takes over Paris's seat and we get at least 2 episodes before she stops bearing her midriff.
I was surprised despite numerous revisits to Caretaker events and before, as well as the occasional alternate reality - none of the pilot crew came back in cameos.

Of course Carey came back, but until his last episode they seemed to forget there was no reason he only appeared in flashbacks!
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Old March 29 2013, 12:33 PM   #24
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Without looking it up or thinking, just from your gut, how many episodes do you think Carey was in?
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Old March 29 2013, 12:50 PM   #25
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Not many after season 1. But the the point is there was no storyline reason we didn't see him more often - he wasn't dead until Friendship One, yet he only appeaed in flashbacks/time travel episodes, from what I remember.

I'm gonna look now!
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Old March 29 2013, 12:58 PM   #26
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Re: What if the PTB had been paying attention?

And I have

"Star Trek: Voyager" (7 episodes)

... aka "Voyager" - USA (short title)
  1. Caretaker (16 January 1995)
  2. Parallax (23 January 1995)
  3. Prime Factors (20 March 1995)
  4. State of Flux (10 April 1995)
  5. Relativity (12 May 1999)
  6. Fury (3 May 2000)
  7. Friendship One (25 April 2001)
So he's in 4 of the first 15.
Then appears in pre-Caretaker scenes of Relativity.
Season 1-2 scenes in Fury.

Then finally shows up and dies before the end.

So he might as well have died in season 1 really.

Its something I wouldn't normally pick up on - save for the fact he was in Relativity and Fury - its as if they thought that they could only get him back in the past!
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Old March 29 2013, 01:09 PM   #27
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This is what qualifies as an Elder Statesman for Voyager.

Blind loyalty Bry, is what drives us into Equinox territory.
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Old March 29 2013, 01:31 PM   #28
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Then finally shows up and dies before the end.

So he might as well have died in season 1 really.

Its something I wouldn't normally pick up on - save for the fact he was in Relativity and Fury - its as if they thought that they could only get him back in the past!
They mixed Carey up with Hogan (who died in Basics) and then killed him off for no real reason.

They should've made a whole episode revolving around the idea that everyone outside of Engineering and the Doctor thought that Carey was dead and Hogan was alive, while the Engineers have to convince everyone else of the truth.
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Old March 29 2013, 01:41 PM   #29
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Or how about an episode where all the lower decks thought that Carey was a Superhero who was involved with the big dogs at every level saving the day... Cue the Forest Gumping technology to show that he was in every episode and essential and every day would have been lost with out him, even if Janeway doesn't give a damn.

Then they have to uncover the conspiracy about why Janeway wrote him out of all of her logs.
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Old March 29 2013, 11:09 PM   #30
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I never liked Carey. He's very unattractive.
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