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Old March 7 2013, 04:27 AM   #1
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Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

How do TOS fans rate the other vintage sci-fi shows? I seemed to like everything I got my hands on:

- LOST IN SPACE, even at its worst, was good for the hardware, the music, and likeable cast. And as an adult, I finally get Dr Smith. Now he's hilarious instead of infuriating.

But I've seen many references over the years to the idea that a lot of STAR TREK fans hate LIS, and vice versa.

- VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, LAND OF THE GIANTS, TIME TUNNEL: I never really got to see these for some reason. I think I would have liked GIANTS the best; that seems like my kind of show.

- Classic GALACTICA and BUCK ROGERS: loved them both as a kid; now I find BSG to have a more timeless quality and more texture, detail, etc.

- MAN FROM ATLANTIS: loved it at the time, now find it less thrilling but still a neat concept, a cool submarine, some good music scores.

- LOGAN'S RUN: I watched it once in first run on CBS, circa 1977, but it didn't make any lasting impressions. I think I liked the android REM, who was a lot like Mr Data would later be.

So how would you as a TOS fan rate these and other vintage shows?
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Old March 7 2013, 06:17 AM   #2
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

Lost in Space was very good the first season, then the quality fell off fast.

Voyage was the same. Very good movie, good 1st season then the quality dropped off.

LotG and TT I remember as being really good but I tried to re-watch them and they aren't very good.

I liked Buck and Galactica, very fun.

Never cared for Man from Atlantis or Logan's run.

You forgot:

The Invaders. Love it, kind of the anti-trek. Well produced.

Space 1999. First season good, second season garbage.

UFO. Very Very well done. I love it and still watch it as much as TOS.

The Starlost. Just a train wreck, but you can't look away! Utter crap.

Anyway thats my opinion.
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Old March 7 2013, 06:19 AM   #3
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

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How do TOS fans rate the other vintage sci-fi shows? I seemed to like everything I got my hands on:

- LOST IN SPACE, even at its worst, was good for the hardware, the music, and likeable cast. And as an adult, I finally get Dr Smith. Now he's hilarious instead of infuriating.

But I've seen many references over the years to the idea that a lot of STAR TREK fans hate LIS, and vice versa.

- VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA, LAND OF THE GIANTS, TIME TUNNEL: I never really got to see these for some reason. I think I would have liked GIANTS the best; that seems like my kind of show.

- Classic GALACTICA and BUCK ROGERS: loved them both as a kid; now I find BSG to have a more timeless quality and more texture, detail, etc.

- MAN FROM ATLANTIS: loved it at the time, now find it less thrilling but still a neat concept, a cool submarine, some good music scores.

- LOGAN'S RUN: I watched it once in first run on CBS, circa 1977, but it didn't make any lasting impressions. I think I liked the android REM, who was a lot like Mr Data would later be.

So how would you as a TOS fan rate these and other vintage shows?
Lost in Space never hit a chord with me. I loved BSG, the Man from Atlantis and Buck Rogers at the time...but now it wouldn't do much for me, though I appreciate BSG's fervor and ambition. Logan's Run kind of bored me.

Right off the top of my head, the only shows pre-1975 that I could say I adored then and still do would be TOS, Twilight Zone and Night Stalker.
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Old March 7 2013, 06:25 AM   #4
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The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits were classics.

I liked Irwin Allen's stuff when I was younger - Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, Time Tunnel and Lost In Space - but outgrew it by the time I was in junior high. The "sf TV boom" of the late 70s and early 80s, driven by the success of Star Wars, was mostly badly-written tripe.
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Old March 7 2013, 06:35 AM   #5
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

Watch, yes. Love, no.
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Old March 7 2013, 06:36 AM   #6
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

The original Outer Limits. One of the best sci-fi TV shows ever. Unfortunately the quality dropped off markedly in its second and final season -- much like TOS Trek's third season, and for the same reasons.

Never got into the original Galactica or Buck Rogers. They just seemed like very juvenile, third-rate Star Wars ripoffs.
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Old March 7 2013, 07:56 AM   #7
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

I love Twilight Zone and Outer Limits.
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea was merely tech-porn for me in my youth. Now it's just boring.
I like the first half dozen episodes of Lost In Space and a few later ones (notably "The Antimatter Man" which is a model for what the show should have been like), but most of it is silly.
I adore the first season of Batman, which may not be SF, but is as much so as Voyage. It's a perfect play-it-so-straight-it's-funny twist on the late 50s Batman comics.
Time Tunnel and Land of the Giants are a bore.
I LOVE UFO. It's got some hokey bits, but overall it's got some nice dark drama about it.
I never got into series like Logan's Run, Fantastic Journey and their ilk.
I liked Space:1999 season 1 (but never saw season 2) and maybe it would appeal to me more as an adult, but what I have seen of it in recent years is kind of meh. It lacks that "snap" that UFO had.
I liked Battlestar when it came out, but even during its initial run I knew a lot of it was rubbish.
Buck Rogers was just rubbish and I didn't even make it through the 1st season. I tried the 2nd and it was just boring.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:02 AM   #8
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

Besides being a gigantic Star Trek fan, I was a huge Gerry Anderson fan in grade school in the 1970's, so I was into Thunderbirds, Captain Scarlet, UFO, and Space: 1999.

The Night Stalker, Six Million Dollar Man (see avatar), and Wonder Woman had their place, as did the even lesser shows like Project UFO and Logan's Run. Basically, anything sci-fi on network TV in the mid 1970's throughout the decade got watched.

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea was the only Irwin Allen show I recall us having, and that was only back when I first saw TOS. Having seen some of that recently, I don't think I missed much.

Saturday morning fare was also important. So Star Trek: TAS, Land of the Lost, Ark II, Space Academy, Jason of Star Command, Super Friends, etc. etc. all got watched.

When I visited our relatives in bigger cities, I was always jealous that they got neat shows like Ultra Man. I remember thinking that was cool, when I was like 5, but I only saw a few episodes.

I always recognized that original BSG blowed. Ditto for Buck Rogers.

In junior high, we had a run of The Prisoner on PBS, which I loved.

We never had The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits on our 4 UHF channels, so I had to wait until cable was laid to see those. By then I was on my way out of high school.

We also never had Lost in Space, thank God. I'm picking that up now on MeTV, and boy is it awful.

I'm probably leaving some shows out, but that's the overall gist for me growing up.

Of all those shows that I saw growing up, Star Trek, Thunderbirds, and The Prisoner were my favorite.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:06 AM   #9
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^^^If you've got MeTV keep an eye out for "The Antimatter Man" on LIS. They ran it not long ago, but it finally gave Guy Williams the chance to be the focus of the episode.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:20 AM   #10
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OK, will do!
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Old March 7 2013, 08:39 AM   #11
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Re: Did You Love Other Vintage Sci-Fi Shows?

I'm enjoying the commentary. My biggest shows that I forgot to mention would be SIX MILLION, BIONIC WOMAN, TWILIGHT ZONE, and SPACE 1999.

We never got the Gerry Anderson "marionation" shows, but I would have watched them for sure if they'd ever been on. And I never saw THE INVADERS or THE PRISONER.

THE TWILIGHT ZONE came back in the 1980s, and that series was great too.
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Old March 7 2013, 08:41 AM   #12
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Twilight Zone is old and of course very dated in black and white, but the stories still manage to be timeless. Rod Serling was brilliant. I just wish more were made. Same thing with Outer Limits, although I'd say it was a little behind TZ. Definitely not enough episodes made.

I did watch Voyage To The Bottom of the Sea, and at times really enjoyed it. I've seen some episodes now and can't bear to watch it... hasn't held up well at all, IMHO.

Lost In Space was very endearing, seeing it as a child. I so identified with Will Robinson. I've seen some episodes more recently and my eyes are quite different now, but I can still appreciate it. Some of the humor is just so wacky. But you gotta love what Irwin Allen did with what he had available to him.

I was into U.F.O. big time. LOVED it. A buddy of mine and I used to play-act interpreted scenes from the show--I was Foster and he was Straker. For a while, I thought I'd never like Star Trek as much... but then you grow up and realize the quality differences. TOS is far superior to anything else made prior to TNG.

I was into Space:1999, despite all of its glaring flaws. And despite the disaster of Season Two, I continued to watch it and admire the hardware most of all. I pretty much disliked the stories and acting, just ogling over the technological eye candy. In retrospect, watching episodes now I'm left with appreciating only about a half dozen.... so no DVD set for me.

I loved BSG... I couldn't stand Boxy. Frack and Feldkergarb sounded stupid as all hell. Larson made a really half-@ssed attempt at an "alien lingo." But the Cylons made up for a lot of what was wrong with the show, as well as all the Star Wars inspired SFX. To me, it hasn't aged well. I borrowed the DVD set and considered buying my own copy, then decided otherwise.

Buck Rodgers in the 25th Century! Heh... that show had a lot of potential. It started out OK and there were some great episodes here and there. Wilma Deering... yowza. Boy did I ever have a crush on Erin Gray. Well, the series started down a slippery slope and got worse and worse over time. The "reboot" with the Searcher vessel was just plain stupid. I was so disappointed with what they did on that show, baffled as to what producers and executives had rattling around in their detached minds.

TOS is the beacon to vintage sci-fi... nothing really compares, IMHO.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:25 PM   #13
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Also, I loved Starblazers when I discovered it as a kid. I bought the first season set a few years ago and think I would like it if I sat down and gave it a good chance.

Same with Six Million Dollar Man. I tried to watch The TV movie recently and Barbara Anderson just brings the thing to a screeching halt.
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Old March 7 2013, 03:55 PM   #14
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I watched everything I could as a kid in the late 60's but none struck me like Star Trek.
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Old March 7 2013, 04:06 PM   #15
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I'd watched THE TWILIGHT ZONE on CBS and THE OUTER LIMITS on ABC and loved them both while growing up. There was also the more scary ONE STEP BEYOND and the hot again, cold again THRILLER that was at its best in the horror genre.

I didn't grab onto VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA though. I found the initial premise of drama on a submarine to be not of interest to me. Little did I know that those turned out to be the best of the series. Since I didn't watch it much, I must have missed the more sci-fi episodes that year.

LOST IN SPACE came along, was in a great time slot for me, and I watched it regularly. I hated Smith and wished he would just go away but he never did, and I finally grabbed onto the humor of him and the robot, and stuck with the show through its run, always hoping it would get better, but it rarely did. Even then, I loved the John Williams music.

Fall of 1966 saw the start of two new sci-fi shows on two consecutive nights, STAR TREK on NBC on Thursdays, and THE TIME TUNNEL on ABC on Fridays. My problem with STAR TREK was its time slot - I just wasn't ready to give up on my favorite show of BEWITCHED on ABC, which was on during the second half of STAR TREK. So that first year, I watched a number of first-halves of STAR TREK, never knowing how it ended.

On Fridays, THE TIME TUNNEL really excited me. The pilot was just an excellent hour of television, with a fabulous premise, terrific sets, great cast, and a pretty decent story set aboard the ill-fated Titanic. The following episode featured a flight to the moon, and I was hooked. THE TIME TUNNEL had such great promise, that I was never able to shake its hold on me. It remains a sentimental, if flawed favorite to this day.

In fact, it was a newspaper blurb on the TV page that got me back to STAR TREK. The blurb read: "Fans of TV's TIME TUNNEL will like tonight's STAR TREK..." and went on to describe the outline of "City On The Edge Of Forever". TIME TUNNEL was such a hit with me that I finally bagged BEWITCHED and stuck with STAR TREK. From that moment on, I was a STAR TREK fan for life. But it was TIME TUNNEL that got me there.

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