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Old March 25 2013, 01:17 PM   #16
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Re: What about regular showers?

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But who does call the device "sonic shower"? It's a DS9/VOY thing exclusively
No, it isn't.

The first mentioning of the phrase that I can recall is TMP, when the probe-Ilia first shows up. We hear the computer voice say "Intruder location: A sonic shower".
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Old March 25 2013, 03:58 PM   #17
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I don´t think a sonic shower is realistic at all. The sound pressure needed to remove anything that sticks to your skin would be pretty great and if not unhealthy then at least unpleasant.
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Old March 25 2013, 04:34 PM   #18
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Re: What about regular showers?

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I don´t think a sonic shower is realistic at all. The sound pressure needed to remove anything that sticks to your skin would be pretty great and if not unhealthy then at least unpleasant.
Dentists have been using ultrasonic devices to clean teeth for decades, but skin is way softer and more sensitive than tooth enamel.

There's an old thread on this topic. The original idea behind a "sonic shower" is that it minimizes water use, not that it uses no water at all.
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Old March 25 2013, 06:19 PM   #19
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Taking a water shower ... is a pleasurable experience
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Maybe a sonic bidet. Doesn't sound appealing.
Just like a water shower, a sonic bidet can be a pleasurable experience (and it cleans too).

I also think a sonic toilet would be even more implausible than a shower.
Post TOS, the toilet bowl would be a collector for the replicator recycler.

And how exactly is laundry processed?
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Old March 25 2013, 09:13 PM   #20
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The original idea behind a "sonic shower" is that it minimizes water use, not that it uses no water at all.
As even this idea isn't explicit, the basic reason for the "sonic" part may be that it intensifies the cleaning effect or makes the experience more pleasurable, without affecting water consumption at all.

After all, it should be fairly trivial to set water consumption of a conventional shower to zero, by perfectly recycling a volume of water, say, ten liters of it. The life support system of a starship must be capable of far greater feats of recycling than that, at high reliability that would make any attempts at minimizing water consumption through more vulnerable technologies such as "sonics" look pretty ridiculous in comparison.

The first mentioning of the phrase that I can recall is TMP, when the probe-Ilia first shows up. We hear the computer voice say "Intruder location: A sonic shower".
Ah, good spotting - that one isn't in the transcripts. (Odd wording, though... Why the indefinite article?)

There's no real limit for when sonic showers might have been introduced. Perhaps they were commonplace in the 1950s already, in the Trek universe? But they play no role in dialogue until TNG "The Game", and after that they go unmentioned until DS9/VOY.

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Old March 25 2013, 11:27 PM   #21
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Hell, i'd love to have a sonic shower. Seems to be much much quicker and you stay dry.
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Old March 26 2013, 04:14 AM   #22
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Starfleet showers have three settings: sonic, water and chocolate.
I thought it was sonic, water, and golden.
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Old March 26 2013, 04:56 AM   #23
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Starfleet showers have three settings: sonic, water and chocolate.
I thought it was sonic, water, and golden.
Haha i was totally gonna say that...
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Old March 26 2013, 05:32 AM   #24
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Setting up a "regular" shower wouldn't be all that difficult. A closed loop system, say 5-10 gallons of water per system, and just purify/clean the water as it runs through the drainage system.

We can purify water on the ISS now, so just speeding up the process 200 years in the future doesn't seem like a stretch.
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Old March 26 2013, 06:22 AM   #25
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But who does call the device "sonic shower"? It's a DS9/VOY thing exclusively
No, it isn't.

The first mentioning of the phrase that I can recall is TMP, when the probe-Ilia first shows up. We hear the computer voice say "Intruder location: A sonic shower".
Lol, I beat you to it. Post 11. :P
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Old March 27 2013, 10:53 PM   #26
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Old March 28 2013, 09:42 AM   #27
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Lol, I beat you to it. Post 11. :P
To nitpick, you didn't indicate a dialogue reference there yet - in terms of the scene itself, the "sonic shower" could have been like a "perscan belt buckle", a cool backstage idea that never was verified on screen. Mr. Laser Beam was the first to nail it down as an actual dialogue mention.

(Okay, background noise mention, but still.)

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Old March 28 2013, 01:14 PM   #28
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Lol, I beat you to it. Post 11. :P
To nitpick, you didn't indicate a dialogue reference there yet - in terms of the scene itself, the "sonic shower" could have been like a "perscan belt buckle", a cool backstage idea that never was verified on screen. Mr. Laser Beam was the first to nail it down as an actual dialogue mention.

(Okay, background noise mention, but still.)

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Old March 28 2013, 01:49 PM   #29
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I guess I'll have to agree.

Seriously, though, I didn't realize the sonic shower in ST:TMP was actually called that in the movie itself until Mr. Laser Beam pointed it out. I wonder whether this technology was carefully overthought by somebody like von Puttkamer or Asimov, too, before being included in the film in a manner that leaves out all the hard scifi thinking...

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Old March 29 2013, 10:15 AM   #30
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The sonic shower reminds me of the movie "Andromeda Strain". When the scientists enter the laboratory for the first time. They go through this lengthy clean-room procedure to get rid of any germs they may have. After they strip naked; they enter a booth that blasts them with high-intensity light that vaporizes the top layer of their skin. Taking with it any sweat or germs. Sounds like a shower-sized microwave oven. Fun.
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