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Old March 21 2013, 11:19 AM   #1
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I spit my last breath at thee...

Ok, are we all now convinced he's not Khan?

I'm starting to think this guy is a Klingon. Kor or Kang in disguise. But I think he might just really be John Harrison, disenfranchised Starfleet officer...
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Old March 21 2013, 12:06 PM   #2
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James T. Vader wrote: View Post
John Harrison, disenfranchised Starfleet officer
I've read in three articles (two in different British Sci-fi magazines) where John Harrison is referred to as a former Starfleet "employee."

Not to be confrontational, but what have you seen that make you think he was an officer. Just wondering.

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Old March 21 2013, 12:53 PM   #3
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John Harrison, disenfranchised Starfleet officer
I've read in three articles (two in different British Sci-fi magazines) where John Harrison is referred to as a former Starfleet "employee."

Not to be confrontational, but what have you seen that make you think he was an officer. Just wondering.

Wellers "attack on london was comitted by one our top agents"
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Old March 21 2013, 01:23 PM   #4
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Re: I spit my last breath at thee...

I wonder is he a Section 31 guy gone rogue...
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Old March 21 2013, 01:27 PM   #5
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I wonder is he a Section 31 guy gone rogue...
Impossible, since Section 31 is rogue to begin with. Now, it's possible he's from Starfleet Intelligence gone rogue.
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Old March 21 2013, 01:43 PM   #6
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It's grounded in the Starfleet charter, though, isn't it? 'Autonomous' isn't the same as 'rogue'.
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Old March 21 2013, 01:59 PM   #7
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Section 31 is a criminal organization that derives its name from the Starfleet charter. They are not in any way an official agency of Starfleet or the Federation.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:10 PM   #8
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It's not Section 31.

Kh-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-an!
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Old March 21 2013, 02:14 PM   #9
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James T. Vader wrote: View Post
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John Harrison, disenfranchised Starfleet officer
I've read in three articles (two in different British Sci-fi magazines) where John Harrison is referred to as a former Starfleet "employee."

Not to be confrontational, but what have you seen that make you think he was an officer. Just wondering.

Wellers "attack on london was comitted by one our top agents"
As someone else mentioned in another thread, Weller / Marcus could just be referring to Noel Clarke's character who carried out the bombing. Editing can be used to trick you.

For all we know, the follow-up line might be "Who could possibly yield that kind of influence over one of our own loyal employees?"
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Old March 21 2013, 02:17 PM   #10
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
It's not Section 31.

Kh-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-an!
Well, we already know S31 don't mind recruiting augments. It's not impossible it's both.

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Section 31 is a criminal organization that derives its name from the Starfleet charter. They are not in any way an official agency of Starfleet or the Federation.
Of course they're not official, they're unacknowledged. Like in Mission: Impossible - If you are caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions.

They seem to have access to a buttload of Starfleet info, resources and personnel, don't they?
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Old March 21 2013, 02:25 PM   #11
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James T. Vader wrote: View Post
Ok, are we all now convinced he's not Khan?
No. How could anyone possibly rule out Khan at this juncture?

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I've read in three articles (two in different British Sci-fi magazines) where John Harrison is referred to as a former Starfleet "employee."

Not to be confrontational, but what have you seen that make you think he was an officer. Just wondering.

Wellers "attack on london was comitted by one our top agents"
As someone else mentioned in another thread, Weller / Marcus could just be referring to Noel Clarke's character who carried out the bombing. Editing can be used to trick you.

For all we know, the follow-up line might be "Who could possibly yield that kind of influence over one of our own loyal employees?"
Yep to everything there.

Besides, "one our top agents" could still refer to Khan by any number of ways.

For example, given everything we know right now, maybe Khan was recruited from deep-freeze, and the crime was killing off some or even all of the remaining supermen while they slept.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:41 PM   #12
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It still could be Khan. He's an agent meaning he likely has a fake name to begin with. He can kick the shit out of Vulcans and Klingons. He could have been found in deep space and trained to be an agent due to his physical abilities. He could have used his superior intellect to get his way into starfleet intelligence so he could bring it down.
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Old March 21 2013, 05:24 PM   #13
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The "agent" line refers to Noel Clarke's character.
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Old March 21 2013, 06:15 PM   #14
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My Name Is Legion wrote: View Post
The "agent" line refers to Noel Clarke's character.
Could be, but the report on the first 28 minutes shown in Brazil says, or at least the translation says


Guess we find out everything soon enough.
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Old March 21 2013, 06:22 PM   #15
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It's Admiral Archer's son Jackson out for revenge after Scotty killed Porthos IV.
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