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Old March 23 2013, 03:46 AM   #16
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Re: Why do Marvel stories take place exclusively in NYC?

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Setting aside the MCU, The Fantastic Four movies, the Spider-Man movies and the X-Men movies all largely took place in NYC.
That's not true of the X-Men movies. Their home base was the Xavier Institute, which is located in Salem Center, Westchester County, about 50 miles north of Manhattan.

Let's see, the first film took place in: WWII Poland; Mississippi; Washington, DC; Canada; Salem Center; an island somewhere in the Atlantic; and NYC only for the climax (specifically Ellis and Liberty Islands). The second took place in: DC; Alkali Lake in Canada; Salem Center; Boston; and somewhere in the woods -- no NYC at all. The third took place in: Jean Grey's hometown (upstate New York in the comics); Salem Center; San Francisco; DC; Alkali Lake; a highway somewhere; the woods somewhere (looking like the Pacific Northwest, but apparently just a quick hop from both New York State and San Francisco!), and wherever the cure center is that Rogue goes to -- the geography in The Last Stand is kind of a mess. Wolverine takes place in many locations around the US and beyond, and I don't think NYC is one of them. First Class is set in Poland, Westchester County, Las Vegas, DC, Switzerland, South America, the ocean somewhere, the Arctic, the USSR, and the vicinity of Cuba, along with various briefly glimpsed locations.

So really, the only X-Men film that's had anything definitely set in New York City was the first one.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:52 AM   #17
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I'd say it's because Manhattan is the most vertical and dense city in the real world USA, while the DCU is full of fictional cities that can be as impressive as they want.
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Old March 23 2013, 04:01 AM   #18
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Re: Why do Marvel stories take place exclusively in NYC?

There has to be a lot of cities NOW which are as vertically dense as NYC 1962 when all this started.
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Old March 23 2013, 04:21 AM   #19
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Manhattan is so iconic though! It has cachet. cache? I can't do the accent thingee. Who wants to read a comic set in Kansas City?
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Old March 23 2013, 04:41 AM   #20
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Logically, in the tv show universe at least, if Metropolis was in Kansas, which is just being a 2 hours drive from the Kent farm in Smallville Kansas, it's most probably a rebranded real life city in Kansas... How odd that Topeka is the capital of Kansas and not Kansas City?
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Old March 23 2013, 04:49 AM   #21
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Logically, in the tv show universe at least, if Metropolis was in Kansas, which is just being a 2 hours drive from the Kent farm in Smallville Kansas, it's most probably a rebranded real life city in Kansas... How odd that Topeka is the capital of Kansas and not Kansas City?
Topeka predates Kansas City by a few years. Heck, Kansas City, Missouri predates the state of Kansas.
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Old March 23 2013, 05:01 AM   #22
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Logically, in the tv show universe at least, if Metropolis was in Kansas, which is just being a 2 hours drive from the Kent farm in Smallville Kansas, it's most probably a rebranded real life city in Kansas... How odd that Topeka is the capital of Kansas and not Kansas City?
New York City isn't the capital of New York.. Nor is Jersey City the Capital of New Jersey.
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Old March 23 2013, 05:21 AM   #23
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I used to own a DCU Atlas, which was part of the role playing game.

Capitols are not chosen because of 21st century concerns, but 19th century concerns and earlier.

Not only should I expect Metropolis to the the Capitol of which ever state it rests in, but I expect that that State should also be called Metropolis, which begs the question, are there 51 states in the DCU or has an existing state been lost or rebranded into Metropolis.
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Old March 23 2013, 06:35 AM   #24
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I prefer the fictional cities of DC. I know Marvel fans say they like seeing a "real" city of New York. But its really not like our New York at all. There are fictional business and buildings. Superheros and alien invasion. So at a certain point a very different history as well. All it really has in common is the basic geography.
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Old March 23 2013, 07:03 AM   #25
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Logically, in the tv show universe at least, if Metropolis was in Kansas, which is just being a 2 hours drive from the Kent farm in Smallville Kansas, it's most probably a rebranded real life city in Kansas... How odd that Topeka is the capital of Kansas and not Kansas City?
New York City isn't the capital of New York.. Nor is Jersey City the Capital of New Jersey.
Yeah, in fact only 17 state capitals are the largest cities in their state.

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Old March 23 2013, 07:14 AM   #26
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Hmm I never really thought about it but I wonder what the reason for this is? I know originally the Congress of the United States met in Philadelphia and New York before Washington DC was created. Did locating the Capitol separate from a major popular center cause of presidence?
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Old March 23 2013, 11:18 AM   #27
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Manhattan is so iconic though! It has cachet. cache? I can't do the accent thingee. Who wants to read a comic set in Kansas City?
... Well, I'd kind of like to see that.

As for why the most populous city isn't the capital. Why would those two things need to be connected? The most populous city in our union isn't the country's capital.

It just happens to be whatever city they select for whatever reasons.
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Old March 23 2013, 12:56 PM   #28
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At least in the Marvel U, it's a lot easier to rebuild since it's the same city getting destroyed over and over again
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Old March 23 2013, 01:29 PM   #29
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Hank Pym has Miniaturized replacements prepared to be launched on top of the rubble of any decimated city at a moments notice and expanded to full size.

The instantaneous rebuiltion (yes, not a typo.) of Coast City is another one of Geoff Johns unforgivable sins.
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Old March 23 2013, 01:52 PM   #30
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Manhattan is so iconic though! It has cachet. cache? I can't do the accent thingee.
The word you want (meaning status, prestige, stamp of approval) is cachet, pronounced "cashay." Because of confusion over French pronunciation, Americans tend to mix it up with cache, pronounced "cash," meaning a hiding place. There is no such word as "caché" with an accent.

Who wants to read a comic set in Kansas City?
A lot of folks, provided it's a good story.


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I know Marvel fans say they like seeing a "real" city of New York. But its really not like our New York at all. There are fictional business and buildings. Superheros and alien invasion. So at a certain point a very different history as well. All it really has in common is the basic geography.
And, so I gather, Daredevil's Hell's Kitchen is still a hotbed of crime even though the real neighborhood has been thoroughly gentrified.

Still, it's fun to tie the fiction into the real world, to walk down a Manhattan street and imagine you're immersed in this universe where Spider-Man could swing by overhead or you could see the Fantasticar take off from the roof of the Baxter Building. Okay, if you really lived there, the constant supervillain and alien attacks would put a damper on your enthusiasm, but it's fun to fantasize about. I know that when I wrote my Spidey novel, it was fun to map the action onto the real city, to walk around the streets where it happened or look down on them from the Empire State Building and figure out exactly how Spidey would get from one place to another.

Verisimilitude is not about being like reality. It's about creating a feeling that evokes reality, that has enough reality in it that it feels convincing and allows the reader to suspend disbelief.
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