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Old March 23 2013, 12:37 AM   #16
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Re: What is "canon?"

Canon is a little tweeting bird chirping in a meadow. Canon is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell BAD
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Old March 23 2013, 01:39 AM   #17
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So...if there is something stated on one episode that contradicts something in another episode, both are canon even if they are not consistent?
New canon overwrites old.
Nicely and succinctly put.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:21 AM   #18
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So...if there is something stated on one episode that contradicts something in another episode, both are canon even if they are not consistent?
New canon overwrites old.
Nicely and succinctly put.
And the best way to be. If you try to slavishly follow canon to the letter, where ALL onscreen is canon and correct, you'd have a nervous breakdown.

Is Kirk's middle initial R or T? Why did Starfleet forget the Romulans had a cloaking device 2 years after they saw it? Was it's Spock's ancestor or mother who was human? Is Spock Vulcan or Vulcanian? Were the Klingons conquered by the Federation, or just became allies?

Just accept that sometimes there are goofs, and spend time coming up with ways to explain inconsistances, but don't let yourself get too hung up on the details. The makers of the shows created TV to entertain, not to be pulled apart and studied, as we may study microbes that swarm and - oh wait, sorry, that's War of the Worlds...
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Old March 23 2013, 03:27 AM   #19
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New canon overwrites old.
Original canon sets the precedent.


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Old March 23 2013, 03:32 AM   #20
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New canon overwrites old.
Original canon sets the precedent.


Which is often overruled.

Betazeds cannot sense the emotions of Ferengi--except when they did. Trills cannot use transporters, except when they do. Vulcan has no moons, except when it does. Etc.

"Canon" is always a work-in-progress.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:37 AM   #21
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In a Doc Brown style diagram:


ENT --> 2233 --> TOS, ST I-VI --> TNG, DS9, VOY, ST VII-X --> 2387
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.................\___ ST XI+ --->
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Old March 23 2013, 03:40 AM   #22
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There's really no such thing as old or new canon. It's all the same thing, with just new stuff added to the old. In such instances where things match or don't match, you're then talking about continuity.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:50 AM   #23
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New canon overwrites old.
Original canon sets the precedent.


That's why we're watching a show featuring a Vulcanian aboard the UESPA starship class vessel Enterprise, commanded by James R. Kirk.
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Old March 23 2013, 01:32 PM   #24
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Is Spock Vulcan or Vulcanian? Were the Klingons conquered by the Federation, or just became allies?
That's just a difference in terminology. I don't think using one precludes the other one from existing.
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Old March 23 2013, 02:19 PM   #25
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Canon was a TV show back in the 70's wasn't it?
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Old March 23 2013, 02:31 PM   #26
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Imagine there's no canon. It isn't hard to do. Nothing to kill or die for. And no memorybeta too.

Imagine all the Kzinti. Living life in peace..
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Old March 23 2013, 02:40 PM   #27
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And Giant Spock Clone, rocking out like only a 50-foot-tall Vulcan can.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:02 PM   #28
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Is Spock Vulcan or Vulcanian? Were the Klingons conquered by the Federation, or just became allies?
That's just a difference in terminology. I don't think using one precludes the other one from existing.
Good point. The Vulcan vs. Vulcanian one is particularly lame.

Tell me, what is Kirk? A Man? A human? A Terran? A Homo Sapien?
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Old March 23 2013, 03:10 PM   #29
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Tell me, what is Kirk? A Man? A human? A Terran? A Homo Sapien?
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Old March 23 2013, 08:54 PM   #30
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Canon is the thing that would cause the end of all life everywhere if anybdy figured out it's true meaning.
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