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Old March 21 2013, 10:21 PM   #16
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Re: New poster seems proof UHURA has replaced DR. MCCOY in the big thr

This isn't news.

This is a founding principle of the Abramsverse.
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Old March 21 2013, 11:20 PM   #17
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Re: New poster seems proof UHURA has replaced DR. MCCOY in the big thr

I like that Uhura is actually doing things now. Also I don't really remember McCoy being on any poster as if he were the focus of the movie.
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Old March 21 2013, 11:39 PM   #18
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I like that Uhura is actually doing things now. Also I don't really remember McCoy being on any poster as if he were the focus of the movie.
That's because he wasn't.

Don't get me wrong. McCoy is one of my favorite STAR TREK characters, but the fact that the female lead rates the poster and he doesn't is hardly some pernicious new development.

As far back as TMP, the poster emphasized Kirk and Spock . . . and Lieutenant Ilia.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:00 AM   #19
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You need a women on posters. Lots of people like women
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Old March 22 2013, 12:06 AM   #20
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You need a women on posters. Lots of people like women
Always been the case. I'm staring at the poster for the old 30's movie version of THE HOUND OF THE BASKERVILLES right now. Guess what? Wendy Barrie who played the female lead is on the poster--but Watson isn't!

The more things change . . . .
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Old March 22 2013, 12:23 AM   #21
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You need a women on posters. Lots of people like women

Or even two women, preferably with tails...
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Old March 22 2013, 12:25 AM   #22
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Urban is a bigger star, who has been in bigger movies...
Bigger movies? Saldana was the female lead in Avatar, which is the highest-grossing motion picture in the history of the world, as well as the biggest-selling Blu-Ray release of all time. How is there a bigger movie than that?

Okay, Urban had a small role in Lord of the Rings, but he was kind of buried under the huge ensemble. Other than that, the biggest movie he's had a major role in other than ST has been The Bourne Supremacy, which made less than a fourth of what Avatar made.

As for which one is the bigger star, this is admittedly an imperfect survey, but "Zoe Saldana" gets 12.3 million Google hits while "Karl Urban" gets 5.6 million. Also, according to Rotten Tomatoes, since 2001 Saldana has been in 32 films with a combined box office of $1.79 billion, while Urban has been in 29 films with a combined box office of $1.58 billion.

So I just don't see what gives you the idea that Urban is a bigger star. Maybe he is in New Zealand, but not in the US or worldwide.


and McCoy still plays a bigger part. He's the current best friend of the main focus of JJ's movie...Kirk, and his story of growth to the 5 year mission. Uhura is secondary or even tertiary to this.
I'm sorry, did you watch the first movie? Uhura was made far more than tertiary, given close ties to both Kirk and Spock, even if her relationship with Kirk was adversarial. These films are clearly as much Spock's story as Kirk's, and Uhura plays a very important role to this Spock. And her role as gadfly to Kirk is comparable to McCoy's.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:25 AM   #23
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There is no Big Three anymore. It's a Big Two now, with Kirk and Spock, and then there's the rest of the cast. Uhura's expanded role and presence in the trailers and posters is simple marketing.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:33 AM   #24
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Urban is a bigger star, who has been in bigger movies...
Bigger movies? Saldana was the female lead in Avatar, which is the highest-grossing motion picture in the history of the world, as well as the biggest-selling Blu-Ray release of all time. How is there a bigger movie than that?

Okay, Urban had a small role in Lord of the Rings, but he was kind of buried under the huge ensemble. Other than that, the biggest movie he's had a major role in other than ST has been The Bourne Supremacy.

As for which one is the bigger star, this is admittedly an imperfect survey, but "Zoe Saldana" gets 12.3 million Google hits while "Karl Urban" gets 5.6 million. Also, according to Rotten Tomatoes, since 2001 Saldana has been in 32 films with a combined box office of $1.79 billion, while Urban has been in 29 films with a combined box office of $1.58 billion.

So I just don't see what gives you the idea that Urban is a bigger star. Maybe he is in New Zealand, but not in the US or worldwide.


and McCoy still plays a bigger part. He's the current best friend of the main focus of JJ's movie...Kirk, and his story of growth to the 5 year mission. Uhura is secondary or even tertiary to this.
I'm sorry, did you watch the first movie? Uhura was made far more than tertiary, given close ties to both Kirk and Spock, even if her relationship with Kirk was adversarial. These films are clearly as much Spock's story as Kirk's, and Uhura plays a very important role to this Spock. And her role as gadfly to Kirk is comparable to McCoy's.
I'd be happy to add up the grosses of Saldana's movies to Urbans because I count $2 billion alone for LOTR movies for Urban. Urban has starred or guest starred in more and while she was in Avatar, just 2 of Urban's movies grossed about the same as that one which is the highest grossing movie ever (in which her real face never appeared even once..people don't know who she by face recognition or voice from that movie)...now how many actors could say that? As for web hits...come on, women always get more web searches then men, its inevitable.

Spocks story in the first movie was relatively equal, but the second movie makes Spock secondary with development. In both movies, the trailers focused on Kirk's story with the voice over...which clearly establishes what they are going for.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:43 AM   #25
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Did run a quick search, Zoe's movies have outgrossed Urbans, but if you subtract Avatar her grosses worldwide fall to about $1 billion. $654 million of that is Pirates of the Caribbean. All her other movies made $400 milliom or so. Subtract BOTH LOTR movies and Urban's total is slightly higher than Saldana's without Avatar. Plus I think her roles were smaller in her earlier movies than Urban, who can easily headline his own movie.

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Bigger movies? Saldana was the female lead in Avatar, which is the highest-grossing motion picture in the history of the world,
Hidden behind CGI. They could've stuck any actress there and I doubt it would have made any difference.
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Old March 22 2013, 12:48 AM   #27
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Uhura's expanded role and presence in the trailers and posters is simple marketing.
Yep. It's a manufactured by-product driven by focus groups charged with capturing the widest possible demographic.

Kinda like how Halle Berry's Storm all of a sudden appeared front and centre in the X-Men movies at the expense of Cyclops.
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Old March 22 2013, 01:17 AM   #28
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Bigger movies? Saldana was the female lead in Avatar, which is the highest-grossing motion picture in the history of the world,
Hidden behind CGI. They could've stuck any actress there and I doubt it would have made any difference.
That's not even close to being true.
I would suggest watching a few behind the scenes featurettes on how they do performance capture for these things and how integral the actor's work is, especially in something like Avatar or the LOTR/Hobbit movies.
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Old March 22 2013, 01:21 AM   #29
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That's not even close to being true.
I would suggest watching a few behind the scenes featurettes on how they do performance capture for these things and how integral the actor's work is, especially in something like Avatar or the LOTR/Hobbit movies.
My point is, Saldana's performance wasn't critical to the success of the movie, in my opinion. Any half decent actress could have done the same thing she did and the movie still would have been a blockbuster.
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That's not even close to being true.
I would suggest watching a few behind the scenes featurettes on how they do performance capture for these things and how integral the actor's work is, especially in something like Avatar or the LOTR/Hobbit movies.
My point is, Saldana's performance wasn't critical to the success of the movie, in my opinion. Any half decent actress could have done the same thing she did and the movie still would have been a blockbuster.
It is certainly very possible that it would have been a blockbuster with someone else.
Then again, I'm sure James Cameron auditioned plenty of candidates before hiring Saldana so he must have seen something there that he thought would fit with & elevate his movie.
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