RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,397
Posts: 5,358,823
Members: 24,627
Currently online: 508
Newest member: space2050


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > TV & Media

TV & Media Non-Trek television, movies, books, music, etc.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old March 21 2013, 12:38 PM   #16
C.E. Evans
Vice Admiral
 
C.E. Evans's Avatar
 
Location: Saint Louis (aka Defiance)
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

propita wrote: View Post
What was Leno upset about? He's made a frickin' bundle doing...well not having to do all that much, far as I can tell.
Like all talk show hosts, Leno does a lot of stuff behind the scenes. He's as much a producer as he is a host.

But I don't think anyone likes to be forced out of a job they love, regardless of how much they make.
__________________
"Everybody wants to rule the world..."
C.E. Evans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 01:39 PM   #17
foxhot
Fleet Captain
 
foxhot's Avatar
 
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

Bring back Conan. At any price.
foxhot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 04:33 PM   #18
tighr
Commodore
 
tighr's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

foxhot wrote: View Post
Bring back Conan. At any price.
I would agree, but only conditionally.

Conan would need to be free to produce the show that HE wants to produce. A big reason that the Tonight Show under Conan was a lame duck was that he and his writers (the EXACT SAME staff as the successful Late Night show) were handcuffed to some ridiculous standard of 11:35p needing to be tamer.

That makes no sense; after watching an hour of Law & Order where pimps are killing prostitutes and getting shot and whatnot, then watching the uber-depressing local news, why would the Tonight Show need to have tame jokes?

Conan is making the show he wants to make on TBS, 35 minutes earlier, and a hell of a lot funnier than anything he was allowed to do on the Tonight Show.

I'm with CoCo. His youtube channel is just a sampling of the hilarity he can do. I'd like to see Conan write/produce a TV show one day, because he's a truly gifted comedian.
__________________
~Tighr™: Not helping the situation since 1983
tighr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 05:03 PM   #19
Spot's Meow
Vice Admiral
 
Spot's Meow's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

It's sad and funny, that Leno thinks the NBC executives are now snakes. What did he expect? That they are okay screwing over others but would never do it to him? That's like a cheating husband who ends his marriage to be with his mistress, and then she is shocked to discover he is now cheating on her with someone else. When people are greedy, they don't care who it is that's getting screwed over. Some of the leadership might have changed, but a business culture doesn't change overnight.

I never much cared for Leno's boring show, I don't really watch Fallon either, though he does at least have a sense of humor. I used to like Letterman but he's too grumpy now. Jimmy Kimmel has always kind of annoyed me (and by the way he so does not look like a "Jimmy"!). So basically I'll just keep watching Conan every now and then. I actually like that it's on TBS because I get the east coast feed as well so I can watch it at 8 PM before I go to bed at 9:30 PM.
__________________
Time present and time past
are both perhaps present in time future.
And time future contained in time past.
—T.S. Eliot
Spot's Meow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 05:36 PM   #20
ManOnTheWave
Rear Admiral
 
ManOnTheWave's Avatar
 
Location: ManOnTheWave
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

So in 2015 Leno is back on NBC and and Fallon has a new show on the USA Network?
__________________
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
ManOnTheWave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 05:50 PM   #21
Avon
Fleet Captain
 
Avon's Avatar
 
Location: Space Wales
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

they should give the show to craig ferguson's horse
__________________

Hello to Jason Isaacs!
Avon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 06:36 PM   #22
the G-man
Commodore
 
the G-man's Avatar
 
Location: to your immediate right
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

Spot's Meow wrote: View Post
It's sad and funny, that Leno thinks the NBC executives are now snakes. What did he expect? ....Leno is an ass and should have told NBC to shove it, but selfishly he wanted his show back. Now I just follow Conan on Facebook and watch the funny clips he posts on his website.

Listen, I think Conan is much funnier than Jay. But the fact of the matter was that Jay was basically fired from a job he was successful at (commercially anyway) and loved. He was replaced by a guy who didn't get as high ratings so they asked him back. I don't see how that's his fault or why he should have refused to take back the gig, especially when it would have probably just led to Fallon or someone else replacing Conan.

If anything, it's the suits who orchestrated the change and then panicked when Conan wasn't an overnight sensation who deserve the blame.
the G-man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 07:58 PM   #23
Trekker4747
Fleet Admiral
 
Trekker4747's Avatar
 
Location: Kansas City
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

ManOnTheWave wrote: View Post
So in 2015 Leno is back on NBC and and Fallon has a new show on the USA Network?
Wait... there's still a USA Network? How can one network survive on nothing but marathons of Wings?
__________________
Just because it's futuristic doesn't mean it's practical.
Trekker4747 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 08:16 PM   #24
J.T.B.
Commodore
 
J.T.B.'s Avatar
 
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

tighr wrote: View Post
Conan would need to be free to produce the show that HE wants to produce. A big reason that the Tonight Show under Conan was a lame duck was that he and his writers (the EXACT SAME staff as the successful Late Night show) were handcuffed to some ridiculous standard of 11:35p needing to be tamer.

That makes no sense; after watching an hour of Law & Order where pimps are killing prostitutes and getting shot and whatnot, then watching the uber-depressing local news, why would the Tonight Show need to have tame jokes?
Because the sensibility and type of humor that worked at 12:30 doesn't necessarily translate to the much larger and broader audience at 11:30. There is a lot more money at stake and a lot more jobs, and things have to be played safer. Letterman did the same thing, The Late Show is just a shadow of the greatness that was Late Night. But he knew that when he took the job.

Spot's Meow wrote: View Post
It's sad and funny, that Leno thinks the NBC executives are now snakes. What did he expect? That they are okay screwing over others but would never do it to him?
Well, exactly, especially considering that Leno owes his whole career of the last 30 years to one David Letterman.

the G-man wrote: View Post
Listen, I think Conan is much funnier than Jay. But the fact of the matter was that Jay was basically fired from a job he was successful at (commercially anyway) and loved. He was replaced by a guy who didn't get as high ratings so they asked him back. I don't see how that's his fault or why he should have refused to take back the gig, especially when it would have probably just led to Fallon or someone else replacing Conan.

If anything, it's the suits who orchestrated the change and then panicked when Conan wasn't an overnight sensation who deserve the blame.
Agreed, it's not Leno's fault, the execs took the short-term view in '10 (just like they had in '92). Leno is in his 60s, he is not going to keep his audience forever. If NBC had bit the bullet, kept Conan on Tonight and rode out the ratings slump, they had a good chance of securing a new generation of viewers. All they did by caving in to Leno was prolong the inevitable, and now they have to try again.
J.T.B. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 08:28 PM   #25
Galileo7
Fleet Captain
 
Galileo7's Avatar
 
Location: U.S.A.
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

tighr wrote: View Post
foxhot wrote: View Post
Bring back Conan. At any price.
I would agree, but only conditionally.

Conan would need to be free to produce the show that HE wants to produce. A big reason that the Tonight Show under Conan was a lame duck was that he and his writers (the EXACT SAME staff as the successful Late Night show) were handcuffed to some ridiculous standard of 11:35p needing to be tamer.

That makes no sense; after watching an hour of Law & Order where pimps are killing prostitutes and getting shot and whatnot, then watching the uber-depressing local news, why would the Tonight Show need to have tame jokes?

Conan is making the show he wants to make on TBS, 35 minutes earlier, and a hell of a lot funnier than anything he was allowed to do on the Tonight Show.

I'm with CoCo. His youtube channel is just a sampling of the hilarity he can do. I'd like to see Conan write/produce a TV show one day, because he's a truly gifted comedian.
Agree. Conan should get the Tonight Show back now, since Jay did then.
Galileo7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 08:30 PM   #26
gblews
Rear Admiral
 
gblews's Avatar
 
Location: So. Cal.
View gblews's Twitter Profile
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

I hope this turns out to be true. I like Fallon a lot. He is throwback to the multi talented Carson as a talk show host, and even though I like both Dave and Conan, neither has the versatility that Fallon has.

Leno, who can only handle set ups and punchlines, is a one dimensional dinosaur (and a weasel) who will hopefully go quietly out to pasture. Good riddance.
__________________
Duckman: I'll never forget the last thing my father said to me...
Cornfed: "Careful son, I don't think the safety's on"?
Duckman: BEFORE THAT!!!
gblews is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 08:36 PM   #27
J.T.B.
Commodore
 
J.T.B.'s Avatar
 
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

Galileo7 wrote: View Post
Agree. Conan should get the Tonight Show back now, since Jay did then.
Big difference: Leno hadn't gone to another network. Conan's day is done. It wasn't his fault, he got screwed over, but now he's a niche player and it's pretty unlikely he'll have a big network shot again.
J.T.B. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 09:00 PM   #28
Spot's Meow
Vice Admiral
 
Spot's Meow's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

the G-man wrote: View Post
Spot's Meow wrote: View Post
It's sad and funny, that Leno thinks the NBC executives are now snakes. What did he expect? ....Leno is an ass and should have told NBC to shove it, but selfishly he wanted his show back. Now I just follow Conan on Facebook and watch the funny clips he posts on his website.

Listen, I think Conan is much funnier than Jay. But the fact of the matter was that Jay was basically fired from a job he was successful at (commercially anyway) and loved. He was replaced by a guy who didn't get as high ratings so they asked him back. I don't see how that's his fault or why he should have refused to take back the gig, especially when it would have probably just led to Fallon or someone else replacing Conan.

If anything, it's the suits who orchestrated the change and then panicked when Conan wasn't an overnight sensation who deserve the blame.
I don't disagree with you at all, I'm not saying Leno shouldn't have accepted. I'm just saying that he shouldn't now be shocked by NBC's behavior, it was clear they were snakes all along.

By the way, you've attributed a quote to me that I certainly did not say...at no point did I call Leno an ass or say that he should have told NBC to shove it, it looks like tighr said that. I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose (at least I hope so), but I would appreciate it if you would edit your post to fix the error.
__________________
Time present and time past
are both perhaps present in time future.
And time future contained in time past.
—T.S. Eliot
Spot's Meow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 09:01 PM   #29
tighr
Commodore
 
tighr's Avatar
 
Location: California
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

J.T.B. wrote: View Post
tighr wrote: View Post
Conan would need to be free to produce the show that HE wants to produce. A big reason that the Tonight Show under Conan was a lame duck was that he and his writers (the EXACT SAME staff as the successful Late Night show) were handcuffed to some ridiculous standard of 11:35p needing to be tamer.

That makes no sense; after watching an hour of Law & Order where pimps are killing prostitutes and getting shot and whatnot, then watching the uber-depressing local news, why would the Tonight Show need to have tame jokes?
Because the sensibility and type of humor that worked at 12:30 doesn't necessarily translate to the much larger and broader audience at 11:30. There is a lot more money at stake and a lot more jobs, and things have to be played safer. Letterman did the same thing, The Late Show is just a shadow of the greatness that was Late Night. But he knew that when he took the job.
Did you miss the part about the 10pm Law and Order and the 11pm Local News?

Who says 11:35p has such a broad audience that they have to be tame with their jokes? It doesn't stop TDS and TCR on Comedy Central from going blue at 10pm. For that matter, it doesn't stop reruns of Roseanne on Fox at 10pm, or reruns of classic Simpsons episodes like Marge vs the Monorail.
__________________
~Tighr™: Not helping the situation since 1983
tighr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old March 21 2013, 09:25 PM   #30
J.T.B.
Commodore
 
J.T.B.'s Avatar
 
Re: NBC: Jimmy Fallon to replace Jay Leno in 2014

tighr wrote: View Post
Did you miss the part about the 10pm Law and Order and the 11pm Local News?
Did you miss the part about the higher stakes at 11:30 making the networks more risk-averse? What works for crime shows and local newscasts doesn't translate to what will work for a comedy talk show, they're different beasts.

Who says 11:35p has such a broad audience that they have to be tame with their jokes?
The people in position to make network programming decisions.
J.T.B. is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:48 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.