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Old March 21 2013, 01:52 AM   #76
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Re: College: Gender Studies

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I fail to see how any of this is helping the original poster in any way. The poster asked a question. A few people answered it. The rest of this bullshit is completely irrelevant to hxclespaulplayer's question, so maybe we should just close this thread and take this crap to TNZ where it belongs.
Eh, we don't really see any blatant misogyny in TNZ, you know. Misc is a much worse offender there.
Yeah, but for the original poster, I'm all for studying what is interesting to you more than for job potential. That should be with the caveat that you can afford such freewheeling study. If the study is going to put you in a deep valley of debt, then being able to get gainful employment should play some measure in choosing what you will study. All the same, it's a shame to be at school choosing courses more or less only from utilitarian perspectives. So, that was just a meandering way to say 'it all depends.'

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Ah. I wouldn't know. I don't go in there. But my point stands. The question was asked and answered, despite all the bullshit. Perhaps we can just close and bury (and salt and burn) this thread?
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Old March 21 2013, 02:22 AM   #77
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Deranged Nasat, I have read your posts with interest in the past. They have always been well reasoned and well thought out. I have liked the persona you presented in the past. With this one thread you have totally destroyed all of the respect and good will I used to have for you. This is very, very sad.
I'm completely shocked at this as well. I would like to think that maybe DN is just having a lashing out on a bad day but he's obviously pretty steeped in the hate sites. I'm at a complete loss for how to somehow fix my previously high opinion of him which is now in the gutter.

DN I've thought we've often been friendly with each other and I've always liked you. But all these hateful links, your use of the word 'feminist' as an insult, your anger and disdain towards women who espouse a position you despise.. that is all about me. That's me you view as some kind of enemy. Me and probably women in your own family, women you've been friends with or worked with IRL, women you've been talking to on this forum for years. It's not some nasty insidious faction of jackboot gender thugs, a THEM out to make your life hell, it is US people already in your life to one degree or another. And you're going to have a lot of hurt feelings because you've stepped outside of that and made us all the enemy.

I hope to god you don't talk like this IRL. I can't imagine how you'd get along with family or make real friends, which seems to be something you've wanted. Angry men on the internet are not a good substitute.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:29 AM   #78
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I've always liked Deranged Nasat but linking to such an awful site as that voice for men one has really made my opinion of him plummet, I'm afraid. I couldn't believe the hate I was seeing on that site.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:34 AM   #79
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My god.. you should (or maybe shouldn't) read the article on that site about how men are abused by the feminist agenda in India because the Indian government isn't concerned about men being raped by women.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:07 AM   #80
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and for the record, during the course of this thread derangednasat has made a lot of intrusive presumptions and attributed false strawman opinions to me that come across as intolerant and vindictive.

so i hope you permit me to call him a whiny little misogynist douchebag without giving me an infraction, but if you do i'm willing to accept it.
It's currently being discussed in the BR (just waiting for the other mods to check in), so I'll let you know if a decision if made regarding an infraction.

I understand that you were provoked and that the rhetoric was extremely insulting and hateful, but let's please not resort to flaming anyone. Thanks.

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Old March 21 2013, 04:42 AM   #81
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My god.. you should (or maybe shouldn't) read the article on that site about how men are abused by the feminist agenda in India because the Indian government isn't concerned about men being raped by women.
I saw the title for that and was terrified. Dare I go and read it?
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Old March 21 2013, 05:21 AM   #82
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It's like those men who launch into hate rants at the sight of a pink ribbon because MEN GET BREAST CANCER TOO!!!!

I bet that site has some spew about that as well.
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Old March 21 2013, 05:26 AM   #83
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They had this one article which focused on this incredibly moronic op-ed written by a woman about how she wants more sex from her man. It was dumb and full of stereotypes. But the "analysis" that the site did on her article was so self-righteous that I was ready to agree with every point of that woman's op-ed by the end solely because the "voice of men" came across as insane.
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Old March 21 2013, 10:30 AM   #84
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I'm surprised that nobody has accused me of starting a troll thread yet. Always happens on forums when something I post turns into a multi-page argument.
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Old March 21 2013, 10:36 AM   #85
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Well, we're all assuming your initial post was a genuine enquiry.
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Old March 21 2013, 10:42 AM   #86
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also it veered pretty far from your original question
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Old March 21 2013, 10:48 AM   #87
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I'm surprised that nobody has accused me of starting a troll thread yet. Always happens on forums when something I post turns into a multi-page argument.
No worries. I gave your thread a reboot or a reimagining (now with 75% more lensflare) or whatever the hell they're calling it these days in case you want to discuss your question without all the side drama.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:30 PM   #88
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Deranged Nasat, I have read your posts with interest in the past. They have always been well reasoned and well thought out. I have liked the persona you presented in the past. With this one thread you have totally destroyed all of the respect and good will I used to have for you. This is very, very sad.
Sadly, I must concur with this.

Deranged Nasat, I have for a long time considered you to be one of the most thoughtful and considerate members of this board, and I am shocked to see you express such repugnant views in this thread. I would consider myself a feminist, by which I mean that I support equal rights and opportunities for women. That's all that that means. I do not espouse a dangerous anti-male ideology, I am not part of some conspiracy against my own gender, all I ask from other men is that they try not to be sexist dicks.

As with all popular movements, there is a fringe minority of extremists that take things too far while claiming to speak for the whole. But they do not. The hateful anti-male fringe represents feminism about as well as the IRA represents Irishness, and you can be damned sure that I would be offended if you were to try and lump me in with that lot. Your views on feminism are simplistic, myopic, worthy of distain, and unbefitting of your history as a poster on this forum.

I am hoping that you will be able to see your way past this form of bigotry in the future. I would bet that most of us have, in the past, expressed views which we later came to regret. I know that I certainly have. I hope that your opinions on feminism will change in time and you will regret having expressed them here.

I didn't enjoy typing this post, and I very nearly didn't write anything out of respect for your past. But if my words, combined with those of others, might help convince you off the path you're going down, then it's something I feel is worth saying.
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Old March 21 2013, 07:16 PM   #89
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One final hurrah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEeCCuFFO8
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Old March 21 2013, 08:39 PM   #90
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I wasn't going to say anything, because I'm not interested in being ignored or having links posted at me. And I respected you too much before to sit here and make assumptions about your thought processes or how you arrived at your conclusions. You leave us to make assumptions, however, because you haven't actually shared your own reasoning.

You posted (in several places) about how you have been doing yourself and others a disservice by acting cowardly in not expressing these opinions. If posting these links helps you resolve an internal conflict, then it is a small action to take for such peace of mind.

But please don't behave as though you've tried to help anyone here or done your part in educating us. Your behavior in this thread has been inappropriate and ineffective. Your very first post in this thread was posting more that twenty links which you did not even provide any sort of summary or context for. I wanted to read some of them but how would I even know where to start? You presented material in a manner that was certain to turn off people from the beginning. You said that you imagined little actual reading or research would result from it, and that's probably true. But you have the lion's share of the blame for that. Locutus had the right idea when he said:

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I think a better approach might be to present your own misgivings on feminist ideology and gender studies courses in a way that makes it more open to debate and discussion than a bombardment of links mostly from a single diatribe ridden blog does.

I'm open to reading an article or two, but after perusing several of the links I saw the writing on the wall with the author and wasn't really interested in digesting the entire blog. How about a summary of your feelings on the matter?
You said something about making the OP aware of different perspectives in the field, but you've done it in a way that's sure to turn everyone off from them. You haven't done anyone any favors here. Locutus gave you the perfect opening for a discussion that could have actually led to people such as myself questioning long-held beliefs and having a productive conversation. Hermiod's name still gets tossed around as a joke sometimes, but I've always wished that he had made a better attempt at discourse, because I found some of what he had to say to be quite interesting. Unfortunately, you seem to be even less interested in discourse than he was.

Instead of letting other interactions or things from Facebook push you to this state of agitation, you could have posted your thoughts in more relevant places in a more constructive manner. You could have said, "In my opinion, most gender studies promote a single ideology and that's something you should be aware of when considering it as a field of study." You could have elaborated as questions arose. Instead you chose to vent your frustrations and resolve your own internal conflict in an inappropriate way in someone else's thread.

So while you're sitting there thinking to yourself, "Well at least I was honest," or "I've done my part," you need to remember a few other things. No one here has been responsible for the fact that you've been repressing your opinions until now. And you've actually done a greater disservice to your beliefs by presenting them in a way that's sure to turn people off of them. If that was your intention, then mission accomplished.
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