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Old March 25 2013, 04:17 PM   #16
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Re: Deep Space Nine Revisited: A New Perspective

I have to say that I believe seasons 5-7 to be the pinnacle of Star Trek story-telling. I loved the mythology they created and how the show left me satisfied and wanting more all at the same time.
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Old March 25 2013, 11:05 PM   #17
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I have to say that I believe seasons 5-7 to be the pinnacle of Star Trek story-telling. I loved the mythology they created and how the show left me satisfied and wanting more all at the same time.
I tend to agree. I think the writers really embraced their exile and decided to push things as far as they could. And they didn't push just to shock & unsettle. It was always in noble service of the long established tenets of fine drama. It was always justified. It was always motivated and with purpose.

One thing I am also appreciating more this time around is Nog's arc. I kind of took that character for granted in the beginning, but the Jake-Nog friendship was much more special and important than originally gave it credit for.
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Old March 25 2013, 11:31 PM   #18
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I actually prefer seasons 1 and 2 to seasons 6 and 7. "old-school" DS9 was pretty cool, back when they were doing the Bajoran politics stuff with the premise, and before it became the war show.
I can understand both sides (S-1&2 vs S-6&7). There is a very definite difference in tone and timbre between early and late DS9. For me, it is what makes Deep Space Nine such a grand symphony. Sure, both phases hit a few clunker notes here & there, however, all-things-considered, still highly enjoyable from start-to-finish.

One of the things I am curious about this time around is whether the shift is as abrupt as I remember. My recollection, as it stands now, is that it was a pretty sharp turn.

I am also fighting the temptation to jump to my favorite late-series episodes like "Far Beyond The Stars" and "In The Pale Moonlight." I am, however, also dreading "Take Me Out to the Holosuite."
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Old March 26 2013, 01:10 AM   #19
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I have to say that I believe seasons 5-7 to be the pinnacle of Star Trek story-telling. I loved the mythology they created and how the show left me satisfied and wanting more all at the same time.
I tend to agree. I think the writers really embraced their exile and decided to push things as far as they could. And they didn't push just to shock & unsettle. It was always in noble service of the long established tenets of fine drama. It was always justified. It was always motivated and with purpose.

One thing I am also appreciating more this time around is Nog's arc. I kind of took that character for granted in the beginning, but the Jake-Nog friendship was much more special and important than originally gave it credit for.
This show is just full of friendships; it's something that we talk about on The Orb all the time. Every time we talk about one of the characters we are quickly talking about them and their relationships. I really love the characters and their interaction with each other. I have always had a personal soft spot for Nog and Jake as well
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Old March 26 2013, 11:23 AM   #20
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Something I really loved about DS9 in the beginning is that sense of isolation... I mean, it had that right through to the end, but it always seemed more pronounced at the start. That these were Starfleet officers who were genuinely situated on "the final frontier", far away from reinforcements. Sisko and co always had to shoot from the hip a bit more because they couldn't always rely on the fleet to come and help out.
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Old March 26 2013, 04:47 PM   #21
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This show is just full of friendships; it's something that we talk about on The Orb all the time. Every time we talk about one of the characters we are quickly talking about them and their relationships. I really love the characters and their interaction with each other. I have always had a personal soft spot for Nog and Jake as well
And that taps into what I feel is the neatest feature of my current re-watch of DS9. There was a lot going on in this series at any given time. So much so that no matter how attentive I thought I was being at the time there was simply just too much to take in and fully appreciate.

I would also add that it helps that I watched Deep Space Nine religously when it was in production so I know how things generally turn out, therefore, I can now look more to the nuances and the periphery rather the just focusing on the core.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:01 PM   #22
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Something I really loved about DS9 in the beginning is that sense of isolation... I mean, it had that right through to the end, but it always seemed more pronounced at the start. That these were Starfleet officers who were genuinely situated on "the final frontier", far away from reinforcements. Sisko and co always had to shoot from the hip a bit more because they couldn't always rely on the fleet to come and help out.
That raw, untamed frontier quality was, to me, a very definite plus for Deep Space Nine. It was perhaps the most loud and immediate feature that spoke to how different this Trek was going to be. DS9 was not going to be just another pretty and pristine romp aboard a starship. It was going to be grittier and a little bit down-and-dirty. TNG was a fine wine while DS9 was a tequilla shooter and some hardtack.
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Old March 26 2013, 05:30 PM   #23
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As Sisko said, it's easy to act like a saint in paradise. Out in the frontier, tough choices have to be made and the heroes are more flawed.

A far more realistic view of space exploration than Roddenberry's.

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I have to say that I believe seasons 5-7 to be the pinnacle of Star Trek story-telling. I loved the mythology they created and how the show left me satisfied and wanting more all at the same time.
Eh, Seasons 3 and 4 are a lot better than Season 7. What You Leave Behind did a great job at wrapping things up though and is the best Trek finale.
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Old April 2 2013, 01:39 AM   #24
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My wife and I finished the entire series last month. It was her first time and my first time all the way through (I had seen a lot of the episodes up through S5, the first part of S6, and the last part of S7 but hadn't watched every single one, so some were brand new to me. I had seen most of the last part of the "Final Chapter" eps so I knew how the series ended but, whoa, seeing WYLB after seeing each and every episode that had preceded it dramatically increased the emotional impact of the final few moments (I was tearing up) plus I hadn't seen the Bashir/Garak scene on Cardassia, which had been cut out of the broadcast. Powerful stuff. I thought that overall it was one of the stronger Trek series. I think that I liked it more also because I was a big fan of Babylon 5 and liked the running storyline narrative of DS9 (though I think that large portions of S6 and some of S7 could have been cut out to improve the storyline arc but I digress).
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Old April 2 2013, 04:24 AM   #25
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Just last week I decided to start rewatching Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (1993 - 1999) via video streaming through Netflix. Eight episodes in and loving it more than I thought.
DS9 Is hands down my favorite of the new age star trek's. I have some issues with it (though most might say they are kind of nit picky)

- Sisko/Avery Brooks acting was really contrived and puppety. He didnt seem like he naturally fell into the role but was instead reading from a cue card. It got a little better and less noticeable past season 4 but that was pretty unnerving for a while there.

- Absolutely HATED the goatee. That whole bald look just wasnt working for him. He's no picard sorry to say. And anyone notice that he had absolutely no eyebrows? Was this a gift from the prophets?

- Jake Sisko. *sigh*. Its like the writers said, hey lets take wesley crusher, put him on steroids (the kid shot up like a foot in season 2) and dress him in all the odds and ends leftover from wardrobe. Granted, Jake started to dress like a normal person later on in the series and I think his becoming a writer actually added a lot of depth to the character.

- It took Kira like 4 seasons to stop being a lesbian. Its like she was hell bent on wearing the pants. I was surprised she and Sisko didnt develop some sort of romance (it seemed they were gearing towards Sisko and Jadzia having something going on but it never amounted to anything) It would have made Sisko's love for Bajor a little more plausible and I think would have added a lot more depth to both characters.

- Kassidy Yates was like Meg Griffin. She added absolutely nothing to the show. Picard had Vash, Crusher, Lt Nella Darren AND Anij... Stunning women and great actresses.... For Sisko they give him Penny Johnson?????? really?

- DS9 was filled with a surprising LACK of alpha male machismo. Not meaning to be sexist but come on, kirk and riker added a great level of humor to their respective shows. Quark on the other hand was a skeevy uncle and Odo might as well have been a peeping tom.

- O Brien seemed to be severely under written. He's supposed to be this Geordi La Forge level technical genius but instead they make him out to be lazy and almost Oafish. As busy as he always was it seemed nothing ever worked on deep space nine. He almost always had this "ive been taking a nap in the upper pylon" look on his face.

- Doctor Bashir another completely underwritten character. They tried to crank him up a notch by revealing he was genetically enhanced but they never took it anywhere. In the ST Expanded novels he's a much better character.. but alas its too little too late.

- Keiko: I always got the feeling she was meant to be the sort of maternal character that Beverly Crusher was. I was sad they didnt do more with her because Rosalind is a phenomenal actress. Instead they made her more like Wilma Flintstone.


There are some other things like the father son relationship between Ben and Jake. While it was very afternoon special, I thought they were a little too touchy feely.. Made them seem less masculine .. i dunno.. And ive never seen two men kiss as much as they did. I never kissed my dad.. Hugs sure.

All in all, DS9 took Star Trek to a whole new level. Definitely a must watch! at least 3 times!
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Old April 2 2013, 05:11 AM   #26
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That's a lot of issues. I'd hate to see a list of the things you didn't like about a show that wasn't your fave Trek.
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Old April 2 2013, 05:25 AM   #27
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Wow, completely disagree with every one of those. They seem like some very shallow criticisms, and I don't quite get the obsession with masculinity and people's appearances throughout...
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Old April 2 2013, 06:16 AM   #28
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Something I really loved about DS9 in the beginning is that sense of isolation... I mean, it had that right through to the end, but it always seemed more pronounced at the start. That these were Starfleet officers who were genuinely situated on "the final frontier", far away from reinforcements. Sisko and co always had to shoot from the hip a bit more because they couldn't always rely on the fleet to come and help out.
This was one of the best aspects of Deep Space Nine. Traditional "starfleet command" was more or less an afterthought. It was the law of Deep Space Nine and the Bajoran sector. Case in point, Garak had to be the most well written and complex character on the show. Can you imagine what it would have been like without him? He characterized the various morals (and dilemmas) throughout the series.
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Old April 2 2013, 06:17 AM   #29
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Wow, completely disagree with every one of those. They seem like some very shallow criticisms, and I don't quite get the obsession with masculinity and people's appearances throughout...
Feel free to disagree, but it'd make your argument a bit more plausible with a little substance rather than emotion
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Old April 2 2013, 06:36 AM   #30
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- DS9 was filled with a surprising LACK of alpha male machismo.
And this is bad?
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