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Old March 19 2013, 09:49 PM   #16
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I do think reviews and word-of-mouth have an impact. Where I live, it takes a real effort to get out to the movies, so if some movie I was interested in gets universally bad-to-lukewarm reviews, I'm much more likely to decide, "Screw it. I'll wait for the DVD" . . . and maybe never even get around to that.

Heck, Spider-Man 3 has been sitting on my DVR for months now, and I've never been motivated enough to check it out, just because nobody seems very enthusastic about it . . .
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Old March 19 2013, 09:55 PM   #17
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I do think reviews and word-of-mouth have an impact. Where I live, it takes a real effort to get out to the movies, so if some movie I was interested in gets universally bad-to-lukewarm reviews, I'm much more likely to decide, "Screw it. I'll wait for the DVD" . . . and maybe never even get around to that.

Heck, Spider-Man 3 has been sitting on my DVR for months now, and I've never been motivated enough to check it out, just because nobody seems very enthusastic about it . . .
Obviously without seeing this film already, one of the things JJ is going to have against him is they praised the shit out of his re-make of Trek last go around.

So in order to get them on board he's going to have to best his own prior performance and knock their socks off or I have a feeling at least the professional critics won't be as nice to him.
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Old March 20 2013, 08:27 PM   #18
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I just traveled through time to May and checked Rotten Tomatoes

It has a Fresh rating of 68% positive. Critics generally agree it is an alright popcorn action film although they found the retread of Kirk's character arc tedious and the plot minimal. They heavily praised Benedict Cumberbatch but were less kind to Alice Eve who was panned as being entirely unconvincing in her role as a bimbo scientist.

Critics all agree that Karl Urban gives the best performance in the movie and are all similarly baffled as to why he is shoved to the background. Jokes focus on lens flare and and desire for Simon Pegg's Scotty to be brutally murdered in the next installment for crimes against comedy.
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Old March 21 2013, 01:34 PM   #19
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Unconvincing as a bimbo? So she came off as smart? Interesting...
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Old March 21 2013, 02:23 PM   #20
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I do think reviews and word-of-mouth have an impact. Where I live, it takes a real effort to get out to the movies, so if some movie I was interested in gets universally bad-to-lukewarm reviews, I'm much more likely to decide, "Screw it. I'll wait for the DVD" . . . and maybe never even get around to that.

Heck, Spider-Man 3 has been sitting on my DVR for months now, and I've never been motivated enough to check it out, just because nobody seems very enthusastic about it . . .
That's pretty much how I do it. I had never watched a James Bond movie before in my life (theater or TV), but the tremendous number of good reviews for "Casino Royale" made me curious and put me in the theater. And I was pleased.

On the ther hand, I went to every Trek movie even if the reviews were mixed (for what it's worth, I saw TFF before reading any reviews and got what I deserved for doing it -- two hours out of my life I'll never get back). When I read a large number of very bad reviews for NEM, it became the first Trek movie I didn't go see. And I was pleased.
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Old March 21 2013, 02:35 PM   #21
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Transformers IMO isn't a fair analogy
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Also, Trek isn't as popular with people under 18 as Transformers is.
Transformers is a perfect analogy. You have two preexisting franchises penned by the same writers, both appealing to lowest-common-denominator demographics. Trek used to be known as having an aging nerd demo, but because of the "reimagining" it's now hip to the same people who like Transformers, people who don't care about reviews or plot-holes.
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Old March 21 2013, 03:35 PM   #22
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Transformers IMO isn't a fair analogy
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Also, Trek isn't as popular with people under 18 as Transformers is.
Transformers is a perfect analogy. You have two preexisting franchises penned by the same writers, both appealing to lowest-common-denominator demographics. Trek used to be known as having an aging nerd demo, but because of the "reimagining" it's now hip to the same people who like Transformers, people who don't care about reviews or plot-holes.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to call B.S. on this unless you provide some real demographic data to back it up. What is a "lowest common denominator demographic," anyway? How do I know it when I see someone who fits that description?

I would also refer you to this link. It's not a purely random representative sample of Trek fans (if that could ever be obtained), but it's well done, and the results are interesting nonetheless:
http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/24/the-...star-trek-fan/
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Old March 21 2013, 03:47 PM   #23
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What is a "lowest common denominator demographic," anyway? How do I know it when I see someone who fits that description?
You just ask them.
If they enjoy a movie you dislike then they are part of the lowest common denominator demographic.
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Old March 21 2013, 07:58 PM   #24
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What is a "lowest common denominator demographic," anyway? How do I know it when I see someone who fits that description?
You just ask them.
If they enjoy a movie you dislike then they are part of the lowest common denominator demographic.
This. If they're people you think are inferior because they dare to have opinions different from you, that is the lowest common denominator.
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Old March 22 2013, 07:00 PM   #25
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You know, I sometimes shudder to think what today's internet critics would do to the fun old science fiction and fantasy movies I grew up on, like The Creature from the Black Lagoon or One Million Years B.C.

"Ohmigod, how stupid does Hollywood think we are? Everyone knows that cavewomen and dinosaurs didn't co-exist! And what's with all the fur bikinis? Talk about pandering to the lowest common denominator!"

Yes, yes, I know. Star Trek should be held to a higher standard than an old drive-in monster movie. But, at the risk of voicing my inner curmudgeon, I do sometimes pine for the good old days when we didn't take this stuff quite so seriously . . . or fret endlessly about whether it's "intellectual" enough.
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Old March 22 2013, 07:21 PM   #26
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You mean, like, last week?

Don't fret--the number of people who take stuff like this too seriously is far, far outweighed by those who see it for what it is--entertainment.
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Old March 22 2013, 07:25 PM   #27
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J. Allen wrote: View Post
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What is a "lowest common denominator demographic," anyway? How do I know it when I see someone who fits that description?
You just ask them.
If they enjoy a movie you dislike then they are part of the lowest common denominator demographic.
This. If they're people you think are inferior because they dare to have opinions different from you, that is the lowest common denominator.
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Old March 22 2013, 08:03 PM   #28
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I do think reviews and word-of-mouth have an impact. Where I live, it takes a real effort to get out to the movies, so if some movie I was interested in gets universally bad-to-lukewarm reviews, I'm much more likely to decide, "Screw it. I'll wait for the DVD" . . . and maybe never even get around to that.

Heck, Spider-Man 3 has been sitting on my DVR for months now, and I've never been motivated enough to check it out, just because nobody seems very enthusastic about it . . .
That's almost exactly how I saw Star Trek 2009 - I waited till it was on a film channel, but that was my own apathy to the whole project rather than reviews. Still the only released Trek film I don't own a copy of.

Whereas I took a day off work to go see Transformers Dark Of The Moon and Resident Evil Retribution.

The fact STID is in 3D might convince me to see it on the big screen, but the trailer does little to help the cause. It looks a good film, it just doesn't look like a Star Trek film.
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Old March 23 2013, 02:27 AM   #29
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The film will be pretty repetitive, based on the trailers. More of the same, same structure, very similar set pieces, just more expensive.
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Old March 23 2013, 03:15 AM   #30
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It looks a good film, it just doesn't look like a Star Trek film.
You're right, since it looks better than a Star Trek film.
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