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Old March 21 2013, 01:53 PM   #16
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If it wasn't Q, then who was it? Picard's brain made that entire incident up?
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Old March 21 2013, 03:25 PM   #17
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What, all on his own he had a dream of doing the girl he never got for real, punching a pal he always hated, and reliving the glorious event that secured his reputation as a really heartless badass? Unbelievable!

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Old March 21 2013, 04:35 PM   #18
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Do you believe that Captain Picard truly died in "Tapestry?" Or did Q intercept him while he still had a tiny speck of life?

This was one of my favorite TNG episodes, but I haven't seen it in years.

First, I think you need to define "dead". If it's when your heart stops, then Zombie Picard is captain of the Enterprise, but I think Carcazoid's mostly dead answer is really the most accurate. He was critically injured, in a coma, but not dead.

Q really liked Picard, for a inferior being. Q could probably have had a sense of Picard at any moment and sensed that he was near death and wanted to see him. Picard treated him humanely when he had lost his powers and he probably developed an affection for Picard. Maybe like a researcher has a favorite rat, or maybe as a friend. Either way as Picard lay near death, Q visited and asked Picard about what he was regretting, Picard thought if he still had his own flesh heart instead of a replacement he wouldn't be dying now and Q allowed him to let go of that false recrimination. So, it may have been a dream to Picard's sense, but I think Q would have found it interesting.

And I think Beverly saved his life, but any competent Starfleet doctor would have been able to do so.
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Old December 31 2013, 01:49 AM   #19
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OK, pardon the thread revival, but it was a toss-up between this or starting a new thread.

Just watched this episode for the first time in years yesterday. To my knowledge it's a highly regarded episode among fans, but it falls a little short for me. My main issue is that Q practically herds Picard into changing his past, offering him little choice otherwise (You won't just die, you'll have to spend eternity with me!). Thus the motivation for Picard changing his past isn't Picard's own, and it lacks the dramatic oomph of, say, It's a Wonderful Life, in which the protagonist is ready to kill himself and thinks that everyone would have been better off if he'd never been born.

Of course, if it wasn't really Q, but all in Picard's mind, then that changes everything, and the episode becomes more dramatically satisfying.
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Old December 31 2013, 02:04 AM   #20
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To me, it was effective as a reminder and a realization that Picard's thrill of living is vital to whom he is. His passion is what the bionic heart is all about, not the assholed stupidity of his past. I don't think it's at all unnatural for Picard to view his mechanical heart as a sign of weakness. It's not, by any means. It may even be superior to the original, in every way. But its not what someone would ever choose, or even want. And I think this episode kind of put that puppy to bed, the lingering doubts that Picard might've had about himself as a man ... maybe even as a Human Being. And I think Q would've wanted to make sure that Picard put the focus of his situation more on that than concentrating on his actual life and death struggle.
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Old December 31 2013, 03:40 AM   #21
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i don't think he died per se, but was near death. or he may technically have, but was revived (,i.e. his heart stopped, no pulse, no breathing, near brain death, etc.)

I get the impression that it was Q, since I don't get why his brain would create such a detailed near death experience with Q's powers and personality. Unless Picard's brain used Q as Picard knew him as an allegory to God. But then I get the impression Picard is an atheist, I don't think as a rational person who values inquiry he would be terribly religious
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Old December 31 2013, 10:49 AM   #22
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In war, there are no Athiests in the Fox Holes! I suspect Picard's not as much the Athiest as we've been led to believe ... let us hope that he turned to Catholicism in the last moments before he really did expire. And that a priest was there to administer Last Rights.
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Old January 1 2014, 02:07 PM   #23
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I dunno, just speculation lol..

I get as a philosophy buff, he may challenge the notion of God though, or perhaps be spiritual but not believe in a God per se. I guess by what he told Nagilum in Where Silence Has Lease, he does believe in some kind of afterlife.
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Old January 1 2014, 02:10 PM   #24
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OK, pardon the thread revival, but it was a toss-up between this or starting a new thread.

Just watched this episode for the first time in years yesterday. To my knowledge it's a highly regarded episode among fans, but it falls a little short for me. My main issue is that Q practically herds Picard into changing his past, offering him little choice otherwise (You won't just die, you'll have to spend eternity with me!). Thus the motivation for Picard changing his past isn't Picard's own, and it lacks the dramatic oomph of, say, It's a Wonderful Life, in which the protagonist is ready to kill himself and thinks that everyone would have been better off if he'd never been born.

Of course, if it wasn't really Q, but all in Picard's mind, then that changes everything, and the episode becomes more dramatically satisfying.
For me it's the message/meaning, more so than the acting or dialogue (IMO bad acting and a Picard-centric episode are polar opposites hehe..) Picard obviously thought that the biggest mistake of his life actually was his biggest boon.
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Old January 1 2014, 03:03 PM   #25
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This script reminds me of the old Twlight Zone series. The chance to relive a life and fix our biggest "mistakes" is something we all think we would take in a heartbeat, but in Picard's case (as desfem79 correctly points out) what he thought was his great "mistake" was what actually drove him to a fabulously successful life. Could it have been a dream? Maybe, but it was a great story with a strong message and that's the key to good TV: strong stories, great acting.
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Old January 1 2014, 08:17 PM   #26
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The chance to relive a life and fix our biggest "mistakes" is something we all think we would take in a heartbeat
Speak for yourself... and I have made some HUGE mistakes... but they all lead me to where I am now.

I suppose this episode is responsible for shaping my thinking behind this philosophy though...
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Old January 2 2014, 02:35 AM   #27
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It was left deliberately vague whether Q really caused that experience. Though I find either way very plausible. I prefer the explanation that it was Q behind the whole ordeal because it's the more interesting explanation. Though it is likely he would have survived by Crusher's expertise had Q not intervened.

For me there's no specific moment that changed the course of my life, but I'd certainly like to change the person I was back in high school and college. I was set back years in more ways than one because of how I behaved in certain parts of my life.
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Old January 2 2014, 03:27 AM   #28
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The chance to relive a life and fix our biggest "mistakes" is something we all think we would take in a heartbeat
Speak for yourself... and I have made some HUGE mistakes... but they all lead me to where I am now.

I suppose this episode is responsible for shaping my thinking behind this philosophy though...
You mean, "I don't want my pain taken away, I need my pain!" didn't do it for you?
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Old January 2 2014, 06:54 AM   #29
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Picard's never really been all that Atheistic, or maybe he became more religious minded as the series went on.

I mean, in "Generations" his fantasy involved having a Merry Christmas with his family.
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Old January 2 2014, 04:17 PM   #30
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Picard's never really been all that Atheistic, or maybe he became more religious minded as the series went on.

I mean, in "Generations" his fantasy involved having a Merry Christmas with his family.
That's a good point although I suppose one could celebrate the giving gifts part while still being an atheist.
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