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Old March 19 2013, 09:35 PM   #1
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Scotty

Have they or will they explain how Scott remains aboard the Enterprise? In the last film, he was assigned to an outpost and then beamed aboard the Enterprise illegally. Now he's the Chief Engineer? The same holds true for McCoy. He was assigned to the ship but only took over as Chief Med Officer after his superior was killed. Is it automatic that he would just stay with the Enterprise? Or would a Star Fleet member with more seniority be up for the job?

Or am I just being nitpicky?
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Old March 19 2013, 09:38 PM   #2
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Have they or will they explain how Scott remains aboard the Enterprise? In the last film, he was assigned to an outpost and then beamed aboard the Enterprise illegally. Now he's the Chief Engineer? The same holds true for McCoy. He was assigned to the ship but only took over as Chief Med Officer after his superior was killed. Is it automatic that he would just stay with the Enterprise? Or would a Star Fleet member with more seniority be up for the job?
I doubt they spend even a second on explaining any of the above.

Or am I just being nitpicky?
Probably.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:38 PM   #3
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Nitpicky.

In the nuTrek universe, Kirk has been promoted to Captain. Captains decide on their staff.

The previous CMO is dead, need new CMO, boom McCoy.
Chief Engineer Olson redshirted himself, Scotty was being "punished" on Delta Vega, Kirk puts in a transfer and boom, Scotty.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:45 PM   #4
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we're talking about a sequel to a film where a character went from cadet to captain in a matter of weeks/months. I don't think they will bother explaining something that is much LESS absurd than Kirk's career progression.
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Old March 19 2013, 09:45 PM   #5
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Now if all the other nitpicky (IMO) concerns about the reboot could be as simply laid to rest, the threads here would be greatly reduced. LOL

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Old March 19 2013, 11:24 PM   #6
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we're talking about a sequel to a film where a character went from cadet to captain in a matter of weeks/months.
Rapid career progression is my main beef with the film.

There are those here on the forum who believe that Kirk was actually a Lieutenant based on his name being "Lt Kirk" on a console, but I don't find that plausible. He spent three years at the academy (2255-2258). Even assuming he had the credits to graduate, he would be an Ensign. McCoy would be the only one who would have graduated to a higher commission, as is typical today when doctors/nurses/lawyers/etc enter the Army/Navy/etc.

We assume the rest of the cadets were already 2nd year cadets when Kirk got on the shuttlecraft (already in uniform) in Iowa, but that would also make McCoy a 3rd year cadet at the time of the Narada incident. He appeared to be fresh off the boat.

Nitpicks.
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Old March 20 2013, 12:57 AM   #7
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we're talking about a sequel to a film where a character went from cadet to captain in a matter of weeks/months.
Rapid career progression is my main beef with the film.

There are those here on the forum who believe that Kirk was actually a Lieutenant based on his name being "Lt Kirk" on a console, but I don't find that plausible. He spent three years at the academy (2255-2258). Even assuming he had the credits to graduate, he would be an Ensign. McCoy would be the only one who would have graduated to a higher commission, as is typical today when doctors/nurses/lawyers/etc enter the Army/Navy/etc.

We assume the rest of the cadets were already 2nd year cadets when Kirk got on the shuttlecraft (already in uniform) in Iowa, but that would also make McCoy a 3rd year cadet at the time of the Narada incident. He appeared to be fresh off the boat.

Nitpicks.

well ok, so even if we assume that he's a Lt.(which as you write, wouldn't make sense), we still saw a rapid progression from Lt. to Captain in a matter of months. Still ridiculous, but no real way around it considering they needed him to be captain by the end, and they needed the same crew together.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:09 AM   #8
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This thread got me thinking, who is staffing the Delta Vega facility now? It was only Scotty and Keenser assigned there, and both are now on the Enterprise.
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Old March 20 2013, 01:45 AM   #9
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Perhaps it is automated, just like the real Delta Vega station in WNMHGB. That could be what made the "assignment" so messed up, Scott (+ Keenser) didn't really even need to be there!
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Old March 20 2013, 01:51 AM   #10
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Yeah, it was clearly a punishment assignment.

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well ok, so even if we assume that he's a Lt.(which as you write, wouldn't make sense), we still saw a rapid progression from Lt. to Captain in a matter of months. Still ridiculous, but no real way around it considering they needed him to be captain by the end, and they needed the same crew together.
And yep, it's still a ridiculously quick progression, but much easier to swallow than Cadet -> Captain.

In TNG's Conspiracy, Captain Tryla Scott was supposedly the youngest Captain in Starfleet history, which was a legendary achievement. Kirk's rapid ascension would absolutely obliterate that record.
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Old March 20 2013, 02:03 AM   #11
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I believe Kirk did graduate as a Lieutenant, in the prime universe he also graduated as a Lieutenant (TOS, "Obsession") and the Star Trek website also notes this that he achieved Ensign rank whilst at the academy in his FIRST year. Looks like accelerated career even in the prime universe.

Doctor Bashir in Emissary also joined DS9 straight out of the academy at Lt JG but as mentioned happens with Doctors in the real world. As an aside I'm certain in the real world Lt ranks are given after graduation in certain circumstances, I was actually offered this when applying to the UK Navy for engineering.

Lt to Captain isn't as bad as cadet and Lt's command small boats in the real world, although agreed a "captain" rank is ridiculous, just should have received the command instead
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Old March 20 2013, 02:10 AM   #12
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There are those here on the forum who believe that Kirk was actually a Lieutenant based on his name being "Lt Kirk" on a console, but I don't find that plausible.
I do.

Kirk could have received a brevet rank of Ensign while still at the Academy, taking his cadet cruise. Once he graduated, he was commissioned as a Lieutenant. I don't think that's a reach. And assuming that (when the hearing was unexpectedly called off to divert everyone to Vulcan) Kirk was just about to graduate - with the commendation for original thinking that he was about to receive - it does fit.
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Old March 20 2013, 04:53 AM   #13
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I believe Kirk did graduate as a Lieutenant, in the prime universe he also graduated as a Lieutenant (TOS, "Obsession") and the Star Trek website also notes this that he achieved Ensign rank whilst at the academy in his FIRST year. Looks like accelerated career even in the prime universe.
We only know that the Farragut was his first "deep space" mission. We are not given enough information to know if that was his first assignment.

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I'm certain in the real world Lt ranks are given after graduation in certain circumstances, I was actually offered this when applying to the UK Navy for engineering.
The British Royal Navy does not have an Ensign rank, it starts at Lieutenant for officers.
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Old March 20 2013, 05:13 AM   #14
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The use of the phrase "real Delta Vega" is hysterical.

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Now if all the other nitpicky (IMO) concerns about the reboot could be as simply laid to rest, the threads here would be greatly reduced. LOL

Thanks for the replies.
They're all simply laid to rest, as nitpicks.
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Old March 20 2013, 06:24 AM   #15
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None of the promotions bother me apart from Kirk's which is just fucking dumb. I'm no army guy but I'm pretty sure it's not good form to promote to captain the guy who has only ever in his Starfleet career been on one mission, which he snuck on to illegally, and during which proved himself incapable of following orders.

But that's just me nitpicking I guess.
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