Roddenberry's Worst Ideas - Page 9

CaptainMurdock · March 21 2013, 11:41 PM

The thing I always enjoyed about the acting in TOS is that everyone acted larger than life instead of normal people living on a starship. Though IMO DS9 had a larger than life cast too so I give them credit for being like TOS but not copying it. That's not to say I didn't like TNG but it's acting at times was just boring. With Voyager and Enterprise. everyone just seemed one note. The Larger than life/charismatic characters are who I enjoyed watching. The more grounded to reality characters were just meh.

ZapBrannigan · March 22 2013, 01:08 AM

If you want to turn the contrast up to 11, compare the acting in ST:TOS to the remake series of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. One is gloriously big, bold, and theatrical; the other is downplayed and utterly matter of fact.

Both are great at what they set out to do.

Mojochi · March 22 2013, 01:55 AM

Relayer1 wrote:

ZapBrannigan wrote:

Gene Roddenberry had some great ideas and some not so hot.

I'd say one of his worst ideas was that a beautiful woman in TMP should be bald.

I thought that was brilliant. Persis was far more stunning without hair than she was with it. It wouldn't have been so with most women...

Amen to that.

With hair... an attractive woman, without... a stunning creature that stops you in your tracks

teacake · March 22 2013, 11:42 AM

Not doing it for me in either pic.

BillJ · March 22 2013, 12:22 PM

Count me in as someone who thought TOS had the best acting of the franchise.

King Daniel · March 22 2013, 12:30 PM

In my last attempt at a re-watch, I couldn't get past how unnaturally everyone acted in TNG. Often walking over, standing in small groups with arms stright at their sides, taking turns to recite their lines.

stj · March 22 2013, 12:41 PM

With the proviso that who did what is not necessarily correctly known...

As useful as the transporter was in speeding up the scene transitions, in the long run, it caused two problems. The double talk justifying the non-use of the transporter to resolve physical jeopardy was more or less encoded into all the Trek shows' DNA. Also, that level of tech didn't really fit, if you paid attention, leaving a permanent jarring element in the setting, constantly trying suspension of disbelief.

The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal. In the long run, the interest of the characters is what creates any real eroticism. Miniskirts (and their successors, the catsuits,) are merely superficial, sexy enough to offend the prudes without engaging any real emotions or awareness.

scotpens · March 22 2013, 05:16 PM

stj wrote:

The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal.

I was thirteen years old when Star Trek premiered in 1966. To me, the miniskirts were exactly the right kind of sex appeal.

foxhot · March 22 2013, 06:08 PM

While indeed giving many of us a certain kind of (ahem) awareness which was very real. Until things changed drastically. Thanks a heap, Katharine Hepburn.

Gojira · March 22 2013, 09:24 PM

Relayer1 wrote:

ZapBrannigan wrote:

Gene Roddenberry had some great ideas and some not so hot.

I'd say one of his worst ideas was that a beautiful woman in TMP should be bald.

I thought that was brilliant. Persis was far more stunning without hair than she was with it. It wouldn't have been so with most women...

Just watched TMP the other day and thought the same thing. If she had had hair it would have made the character average. By being bald she was unique and different and stood out.

Gojira · March 22 2013, 09:32 PM

King Daniel wrote:

In my last attempt at a re-watch, I couldn't get past how unnaturally everyone acted in TNG. Often walking over, standing in small groups with arms stright at their sides, taking turns to recite their lines.

While I still enjoy TNG some of the episodes have not aged well, they are too talky and a bit boring.

stj · March 23 2013, 02:03 AM

scotpens wrote:

stj wrote:

The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal.

I was thirteen years old when Star Trek premiered in 1966. To me, the miniskirts were exactly the right kind of sex appeal.

Yes, exactly.

BillJ · March 23 2013, 11:44 AM

scotpens wrote:

stj wrote:

The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal.

I was thirteen years old when Star Trek premiered in 1966. To me, the miniskirts were exactly the right kind of sex appeal.

Loved how the women looked in TOS. A credit to the late Bill Theiss. The man was responsible for many a teenage boners.

teacake · March 23 2013, 02:17 PM

King Daniel wrote:

In my last attempt at a re-watch, I couldn't get past how unnaturally everyone acted in TNG. Often walking over, standing in small groups with arms stright at their sides, taking turns to recite their lines.

That's what happens when you evolve, you stop waving your arms around like animals.

T'Girl · March 23 2013, 05:32 PM

teacake wrote:

That's what happens when you evolve, you stop waving your arms around like animals.

Or even like people.

The Roy Orbison school of acting.

March 21 2013, 11:41 PM	#121
CaptainMurdock Lieutenant Location: Ohio	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas The thing I always enjoyed about the acting in TOS is that everyone acted larger than life instead of normal people living on a starship. Though IMO DS9 had a larger than life cast too so I give them credit for being like TOS but not copying it. That's not to say I didn't like TNG but it's acting at times was just boring. With Voyager and Enterprise. everyone just seemed one note. The Larger than life/charismatic characters are who I enjoyed watching. The more grounded to reality characters were just meh. __________________ Kirk...if you do this, you'll never sit in the Captain's chair again.

March 22 2013, 01:08 AM	#122
ZapBrannigan Commander Location: New York State	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas If you want to turn the contrast up to 11, compare the acting in ST:TOS to the remake series of BATTLESTAR GALACTICA. One is gloriously big, bold, and theatrical; the other is downplayed and utterly matter of fact. Both are great at what they set out to do.

March 22 2013, 11:42 AM	#124
teacake Admiral Location: Militant Janeway True Path Devotees Compound. With Sehlats.	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas Not doing it for me in either pic. __________________ Rider: I can't believe you'd kill me for a field of empty holes. J'onn: It's all I have. ■ ■ ■ Janeway does Melbourne

March 22 2013, 12:22 PM	#125
BillJ Vice Admiral Location: Greater Cincinnati	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas Count me in as someone who thought TOS had the best acting of the franchise. __________________ J.J. Abrams didn't change Star Trek, audience expectations did.

March 22 2013, 12:30 PM	#126
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas In my last attempt at a re-watch, I couldn't get past how unnaturally everyone acted in TNG. Often walking over, standing in small groups with arms stright at their sides, taking turns to recite their lines. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

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March 22 2013, 12:41 PM	#127
stj Rear Admiral Location: the real world	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas With the proviso that who did what is not necessarily correctly known... As useful as the transporter was in speeding up the scene transitions, in the long run, it caused two problems. The double talk justifying the non-use of the transporter to resolve physical jeopardy was more or less encoded into all the Trek shows' DNA. Also, that level of tech didn't really fit, if you paid attention, leaving a permanent jarring element in the setting, constantly trying suspension of disbelief. The miniskirts were the wrong kind of sex appeal. In the long run, the interest of the characters is what creates any real eroticism. Miniskirts (and their successors, the catsuits,) are merely superficial, sexy enough to offend the prudes without engaging any real emotions or awareness. __________________ Morals are what you do to other people. Other people, what we call society, are essential to human happiness. Therefore, morals are the path to happiness. My morals, your happiness; your morals, my happiness: It's a fair trade.

March 22 2013, 06:08 PM	#129
foxhot Captain Location: maryland	Re: Roddenberry's Worst Ideas While indeed giving many of us a certain kind of (ahem) awareness which was very real. Until things changed drastically. Thanks a heap, Katharine Hepburn.