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Old March 16 2013, 08:20 AM   #16
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

If only other people had the great excuse, "I was trapped on a starship".
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Old March 16 2013, 09:00 AM   #17
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

Aryn once said to John "You made the best choice from limited options." which was just beautiful when he said "bullshit" towards those concerns, but when Chief tyrol said "I made the best choice out of limited options" he was just being a son of a bitch becuase his wife was already dead.

It would seem that the majority of peopel on Voyager did not make any choice at all since they were all frakk happy overnight furloughs in the bosom of Fairhaven's batteries of holobrothels.
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Old March 18 2013, 06:58 AM   #18
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

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From looking at ye olde map of the galaxy, going off Voyager being 70,000ly from earth at the time of "caretaker", factoring all the jumps they used, by the time they reached the Talaxian asteroid colony, they must have at LEAST been on the very, very edge of the Delta Quadrant, if not over it and into the Beta Quadrant.

Anyone know the location of that Colony in relation to the quadrants?
The producers in season 7 actively prevented Voyager from getting to the Beta Quadrant. The show had hung it's hat on the "Delta Quadrant" banner for so long, that the idea of them actually crossing into the Beta Quadrant was a non-starter for them. The Klingon ship, the Talaxians, half of Season 7, all of it should have happened in the Beta Quadrant.

They missed a golden opportunity for some storylines by having Voyager travel through the opposite side of the Romulan Empire, the side of which humans had never seen.
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Old March 18 2013, 07:06 AM   #19
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

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They missed a golden opportunity for some storylines by having Voyager travel through the opposite side of the Romulan Empire, the side of which humans had never seen.
Oh I got chills reading that!

Even though the side no humans have seen is probably just a bunch of crap mining planets stocked with Remans.
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Old March 18 2013, 04:45 PM   #20
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They missed a golden opportunity for some storylines by having Voyager travel through the opposite side of the Romulan Empire, the side of which humans had never seen.
Oh I got chills reading that!

Even though the side no humans have seen is probably just a bunch of crap mining planets stocked with Remans.
Well, we'll never know now, will we???
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Old March 18 2013, 07:35 PM   #21
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I think it was another example of the writers forgetting how many jumps Voyager had taken, and how much progress they'd made. They were only supposed to have been like 30,000 light years from Earth by the end of the series.
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Old March 18 2013, 07:51 PM   #22
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

They were really good at citing the distance which they had traveled.

They just didn't know where Earth was.

Wikipedia places earth 20 thousand light years from the centre of the galaxy.

Imagine being so inbred that you don't know where your home is?
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Old March 18 2013, 08:25 PM   #23
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No.

Maybe.

There is a blurry map.

Then there's this from the following episode...

CHAKOTAY: They sound like people we should avoid.
JANEWAY: I wish that were possible. They control thousands of parsecs from here to the edge of the Beta quadrant. They're ecological extremists. They believe conventional warp engines damage subspace, so they've outlawed warp travel through their territory.
CHAKOTAY: Then we should reverse course and find a way around.
JANEWAY: That's the problem. We've already been in their space for three weeks without knowing it.
So they were close.

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Old March 19 2013, 12:00 AM   #24
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Canon means and only means that "whatever" was seen on screen in the tv show or a movie.

Jeri Taylor has expressed the OPINION that her novels are canon, but that's just Jeri being a princess.

So that's not the blurry map I was talking about.

Actually the first blurry map they showed inverted the alpha and beta quadrants. The producers of Voyager hadn't looked at Okuda's map and creating some abusive discourse here about whether the show was more canon than the encyclopaedia.

This map is from the episode Endgame. It's canon. Admiral Janeways 21 year journey home.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...trometrics.jpg

This here seems to be a cleaned up copy of the route seen in Endgame, it also shows the Bajoran Wormhole.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...VoyagerMap.jpg

But as I said, there's another blurry map from over some ones shoulder earlier too.
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Old March 19 2013, 12:35 AM   #25
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This here seems to be a cleaned up copy of the route seen in Endgame, it also shows the Bajoran Wormhole.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...VoyagerMap.jpg
Man, those maps would be awesome if they had more detail.
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Old March 19 2013, 12:20 PM   #26
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Re: Were those Talaxians Neelix rescued even in the Delta Quadrant?

You want the 2002 Star Trek Star Charts, which features Voyager's route (and a version of that map) in extreme detail. It's not canon, and it sold like rotten eggs, but it's very pretty.
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Old March 19 2013, 01:49 PM   #27
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Fact: The Vulcans have been a space faring race for a million years.

Fact: The Vulcans mentored humanity in all things space.

Supposition: the Border between the Alpha and beta Quadrants runs through Vulcan.

fact: Vulcan was destroyed in the 2009 movie.

Extrapolation: The border to the Alpha beta Quadrant moved to the next most important world in the Federation.

Question: Is that Earth?
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Old March 20 2013, 10:50 AM   #28
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Isn't Andor closer to Vulcan than earth?
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Old March 20 2013, 11:10 AM   #29
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There's four days between earth and Vulcan in season 4 of Enterprise when their Warp 5 engine actually could make Warp 5, but Qo'noS is also 4 days away from Earth in the pilot before they laid down the limitations of a theoretical Warp 5 engine...

Episode 7 of Enterprise showed a Vulcan spy post which was over 20 light years from earth (established the week before in tera nova) that could spy into the heart of Andorian Space and perhaps into the eaves of Andor itself....

They keep citing Archers odometer reading through out the first two seasons exclaiming how they are out so amazingly far into space, and then bump into this and that which should be in their back yard, like half way through seasons one they meet a Teran freighter that can only fly at warp one. it's obvious that archer was not moving in a straight line away from Earth. He was spiralling out exploring the shit out of everything close enough to pose a threat or find nice buggers they should open trade with.

Politically, and Militarily, what the frakk has Andor done for anyone?
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Old March 20 2013, 11:21 AM   #30
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Four space fleets is better than two space fleets.
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