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Old March 24 2013, 12:12 PM   #136
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

That's nice to hear. Start with Clerks, but just so you know: the way Kevin designed and wrote the Askewniverse, Mallrats (the second film) comes first in the continuity. The events in that movie take place a day or so before those in Clerks.

It's a long story that I wouldn't even begin to explain even if you wanted me to. Just watch the films and find out for yourself. Hope you like them.
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Old March 24 2013, 01:54 PM   #137
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And Jay & Silent Bob strike back takes place before Dogma. See if you can spot the detail showing that.
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Old March 24 2013, 02:09 PM   #138
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I didn't know that, what's the detail?
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Old March 24 2013, 06:16 PM   #139
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

That's news to me. With the exception of Mallrats happening a day or so before Clerks Kevin and the guys have always said that the films take place in chronological procession. For instance, when Jay and Bob leave the diner to board the bus for Illinois in Chasing Amy it's to help set up the events in Dogma.

You'll have to tell us because I don't know.
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Old March 24 2013, 07:04 PM   #140
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For clarification's sake, this won't be a first time viewing. With the exception of Clerks II, I've seen them all many times. It's just been a while.
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Old March 24 2013, 08:25 PM   #141
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To be honest, it's such a detail, I'm not even sure if it was intentional. So, here it is.

In Dogma, Bethany asks Jay how they got to Illinois. Jay tells the story of John Hughes and Shermer, IL, and here's the important quote:
"Then it hits me, we could live like fat rats if we're the blunt connection in Shermer, Illinios, so we collected some money we were owed and caught a bus."

But, in Strike Back, when they try to go to Hollywood by bus, Jay is shocked:
"Tickets? Since when did they start charging for the bus? Didn't we used to ride that shit to school every morning for free?"
Showing that they didn't ride a bus since school days.

Therefore, the bus ride to IL had to take place after that.
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Old March 24 2013, 09:12 PM   #142
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That's a good point but I'm guessing it's a continuity error, because as the other person said I thought Chasing Amy showed them getting on the bus for Dogma...

There's also the problem that Alanis-God closes the book on the Viewaskewniverse at the end of Strikes Back and they haven't met her yet
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Old March 24 2013, 09:48 PM   #143
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

Nice catch and good theory, but it's just a continuity error. Even Kevin can't keep all the details in his own universe straight from time to time. JASB is fifth in the Askweniverse continuity, taking place at some point after the boys return home to Jersey following the events in Dogma.

Heck, look at Willam Black. Scott Mosier in Clerks. Ethan Suplee in Mallrats, which happens a day earlier. Sometimes continuity is one of those things where Kevin goes: "meh. Screw it. It's funnier this way so let's go with it." And he just sits back and smiles.
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Old March 24 2013, 09:52 PM   #144
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Also, doesn't Jay reference "God herself" - who he met in Dogma - in Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back?
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Old March 24 2013, 09:57 PM   #145
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Yep. In the opening scene where the kids try to buy weed and the guys rant about Morris Day and the Time.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:45 PM   #146
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It's not a continuity error if you can find an explenation for it. SciFi fans should know that.

There's another thing, Jay and Silent Bob meet God in Dogma, yet they only got religious in Clerks II, not in their own movie. That would make more sense when you put Dogma between JASBSB and Clerks II.

Now, Jay referring to god as a 'she' in JASBSB, that could just be him trying to be clever. I mean, the idea of god as a woman was out there.

As for god closing the book of the Askewniverse at the end of JASBSB, that was already contradicted by Clerks II.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:47 PM   #147
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That does it. I'm getting high.
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Old March 24 2013, 11:57 PM   #148
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Reading through this thread convinced me to finally upgrade my Askewniverse collection from DVDs to Blu-ray, and to start a rewatch of the films once the discs arrive. For the first time ever, I think I'll actually start that rewatch with Mallrats.

A friend mentioned the Super Groovy Cartoon Movie to me a while back, pointing out that one of the stops is at Butler University in Indianapolis. We're only a couple hours away from Indy, so we're hoping to be able to go.
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Old March 25 2013, 03:57 AM   #149
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That's a good point but I'm guessing it's a continuity error, because as the other person said I thought Chasing Amy showed them getting on the bus for Dogma...
There's a wonderful four issue mini-series Kevin wrote called "Chasing Dogma" that bridges the gap between 'Chasing Amy' and 'Dogma' shows them leaving the cafe where they talked to Holden and ends with them about to attack the triplets who were about to kill Bethany.

It does a great job of bridging the gap, the only reason anyone would say it wasn't canon is because Kevin recycles a lot of the plot from the comic into the film 'Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.'
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Old March 25 2013, 04:07 AM   #150
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Re: 20 YEARS AGO TODAY: "But I'm Not Even Supposed to BE Here Today!"

That's right, doesn't Chasing Dogma contain Suzanne the orangutan? After introducing her in the closing credits of Mallrats I know he recycled her in at least one written work before she reappeared on the big screen in Jizzle and Bizzle.*

* That's what Kevin sometimes calls JASB. Don't blame me.
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