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Old July 31 2013, 05:29 AM   #1
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Raiders vs Crystal Skull

So why is Raiders of the Lost Arc an amazing movie, while Crystal Skull is a terrible movie? Lets talk about the problems:

1) Indy survived a nuclear blast in a fridge in Skull, while Indy survives taking a ride outside of a submarine in Raiders.
2) The endings are stupid in both - God's wrath vs aliens.
3) The final outcome in Raiders would have basically been the same had Indy not been involved. Similar plot issue in Skulls.

I am getting at a similar thing here that I did with the Lucas thread. I feel that had Raiders come out now, it would be panned as silly and would not have the status that it currently has in the movie community.
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Old July 31 2013, 06:00 AM   #2
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Re: Raiders vs Crystal Skull

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Old July 31 2013, 09:55 AM   #3
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The best Indy films are Raiders and Crusade, they are both fun little movies. That's not to say the other two don't have their moments but not as many as the Raiders and Crusade.
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Old July 31 2013, 11:19 AM   #4
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Crystal Skull is much more fun than Temple Of Doom, but yes, Raiders and Crusade are the best. Both have their improbable/supernatural elements.
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Old July 31 2013, 11:19 AM   #5
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crookeddy wrote: View Post
1) Indy survived a nuclear blast in a fridge in Skull, while Indy survives taking a ride outside of a submarine in Raiders.
WWII era submarines were more like submersible ships than true submarines. They spent most of their time travelling on the surface, only diving when they were under a threat or were preparing to attack during the daytime. Most night attacks were conducted from the surface.

The most incredible aspect in the sub scene was that there weren't any lookouts on the bridge Lookouts would have discovered a stowaway pretty quickly. Submarines maintain a 24 hour watch when they are underway so they can detect possible threats and normal maritime traffic.
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Old July 31 2013, 11:19 AM   #6
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Geez, where do I start?
You know what, can't be bothered.
Raiders = One of the best movies ever.
Skull = hugely disappointing.
By the way, God's wrath? So much more terrifying than aliens!!
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Old July 31 2013, 04:14 PM   #7
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Geez, where do I start?
You know what, can't be bothered.
Raiders = One of the best movies ever.
Skull = hugely disappointing.
By the way, God's wrath? So much more terrifying than aliens!!
Um, yeah.... this.
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Old July 31 2013, 04:46 PM   #8
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Re: Raiders vs Crystal Skull

Raiders was awesome.
Temple O' Doom was great.
Crusade was lazy drek.
Crystal Skull was more awesome than anybody will give it credit for. Run it down all you like.
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Old July 31 2013, 04:47 PM   #9
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Shurik wrote: View Post
Crystal Skull is much more fun than Temple Of Doom, but yes, Raiders and Crusade are the best. Both have their improbable/supernatural elements.
I agree with this. I catually like Crystal Skull and the 1st and 3rd being the best.
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Old July 31 2013, 04:57 PM   #10
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So why is Raiders of the Lost Arc an amazing movie, while Crystal Skull is a terrible movie? Lets talk about the problems:

1) Indy survived a nuclear blast in a fridge in Skull, while Indy survives taking a ride outside of a submarine in Raiders.
2) The endings are stupid in both - God's wrath vs aliens.
3) The final outcome in Raiders would have basically been the same had Indy not been involved. Similar plot issue in Skulls.

I am getting at a similar thing here that I did with the Lucas thread. I feel that had Raiders come out now, it would be panned as silly and would not have the status that it currently has in the movie community.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:01 PM   #11
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I think people are slightly misunderstanding my opinion here. While I find both movies entertaining, Raiders is clearly the better movie. The thing is, I believe that had Raiders come out in the 21st century, people would be too busy finding plot holes to actually enjoy the movie. Similarly, had Crystal Skull come out in the 80s, and used the more practical effects of the time, it would be considered a great movie as well.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:07 PM   #12
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Crystal Skull suffers from that knee jerk reaction of the internet, the internet hates it. I rarely find such a visceral reaction to it by non-entrenched movie people. That's not to say I find it perfect but I do enjoy it.

Raiders and it's submarine ride has been given possible explanations(that I don't recall right now) but one thing people overlook is that Indy is essentially Agnostic.
To him the Wrath of God and Aliens are equally the same. Only the audience separates it out as plausible(God) vs unplausible(Aliens).

I'd rank it:
Raiders
Crusade
Skull
Doom

I don't dislike any of the 4 and Doom has grown on me over the years.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:08 PM   #13
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crystal skull was an exercise in showing you just can't pull some franchises into the 21st century. if it was made back in the day, then it -might- have worked. but it did nothing but show that indiana jones was a product of its time and was a disappointing movie overall. i mean does anyone really want to see their childhood movie hero being old and getting upstaged by that kid from transformers? i didn't.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:12 PM   #14
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crystal skull was an exercise in showing you just can't pull some franchises into the 21st century. if it was made back in the day, then it -might- have worked. but it did nothing but show that indiana jones was a product of its time and was a disappointing movie overall. i mean does anyone really want to see their childhood movie hero being old and getting upstaged by that kid from transformers? i didn't.

I saw it differently. Despite his age Indy showed he's still got it! I think they had fun with his age.

I love anything to do with aliens and I really liked that aspect of the movie. I thought it was a heck of a lot of fun. Not as enjoyable for me as Raiders and Crusades was but it is a movie that I think doesn't deserve the bad rap it gets.
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Old July 31 2013, 05:13 PM   #15
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Did you really think Indiana was upstaged by Mutt?

He's shown a few times to be brash and too quick to action by Indy.
When Mutt tries to get a tough and "brings a gun to a knife fight", Indy quickly organizes away out "hit that kid".
When they are in the graveyard and Mutt's like "that's a dead end", to which Indy discovers it's not "this way genius".

If anything I felt the movie showed that Indiana while moving through the decades since we last saw him had handled things well. Working for the war effort, being a decorated hero and when thrust back into things with the Skull situation was easily able to get back into that saddle.
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