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Old April 13 2013, 08:35 PM   #31
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True story. I too would rather see something stylistic that has energy and isn't dedicated to being "photorealistic." While I loved comic artist Gorden Purchell and Jerome K. Moore tenure on DC's STAR TREK comics , but really loved the more stylistic impression of the universe from Tom Sutton and Pablo Marcos. And I really loved Paul Pope's STAR TREK short comic in WIRED.
I would put Gray Morrow on that list as well.
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Old April 13 2013, 09:19 PM   #32
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I hate to be critical, but what we see here is the easy part. The hard part is getting the characters right. And we don't see any of that, here.

Those vague tiny featureless renders of Kirk, Spock, and some red shirt dwarfed by the Big Alien Things don't count.

Furthermore, the unrealistic proportions of the characters that we can discern don't impress me at all; quite the opposite, actually. I can only hope that the character drawings here are thumbnail placeholders in lieu of actual character drawings to be inserted once it's figured out exactly how to draw them (e.g., regard a faceless Spock).

Unfortunately, in Green Lantern, the character style is to render people with exaggerated proportions, and these sketches seem to suggest that the treatment might go in that direction, too. That sort of character style works in GL, but I have grave doubts about it working in Star Trek.

Consequently, I'm unimpressed, and actually concerned.
Agreed. I too also love Green Lantern, but I don't necessarily want to see its style on a new Star Trek cartoon (nor do I want to see the style of Star Wars: The Clone Wars or Dragons: Riders of Berk just slavishly copied for any new animated series based on Star Trek, either.)

As I've said (and shown) before, this style is the kind of style that should be done for a new series:


Frankly, SZ, I don't get your fascination with Aurora. It isn't just the soulless characters and animation. The whole concept is boring. It's just April O'Neill and a T'Pol clone delivering stuff...and that "teaser" just flat out promises a stupid episode 2.
Actually, it's earning raves because it's a different take on Star Trek-the civilian side that we rarely ever see in the shows, novels, and movies. Also, it hearkens back to the 1960's show somewhat. That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
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Old April 13 2013, 09:41 PM   #33
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That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
Taste is subjective, but I'm confused. How can someone feel the story is better than Star Trek Into Darkness when very few folks have actually seen it?

That kind of destroys any credibility of statements about its quality.
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Old April 13 2013, 10:17 PM   #34
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the civilian side that we rarely ever see in the shows, novels, and movies.
Probably becuase it is (and I mean no offense) boring as hell.

Also, it hearkens back to the 1960's show somewhat.
The 1960s show had people going on fun space adventures and getting involved with all sorts of weird crap. Kind of like Star Trek 2009 did.

This thing sounds like it has two people hauling crap form one place to another and aren't going to deal with the weird crap or basic space adventure stuff and if they did it would either eat them alive or else it look ridiculous as hell that some freighter could handle stuff state of the art starships have trouble with.

That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
As said before how the hell would they know it its a better story than Into Darkness which hasn't come out yet?
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Old April 13 2013, 10:57 PM   #35
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Probably because it is (and I mean no offense) boring as hell.
Boring to you, not to the millions of people who have read similar stories in science fiction and fantasy. Have you ever read the two Han Solo books? Or the Lando Calrissian books? Or any other book about space traders/space commerce? All of them are as exciting as stories based around military characters and adventures.

The 1960s show had people going on fun space adventures and getting involved with all sorts of weird crap. Kind of like Star Trek 2009 did.
But they didn't have the adventures of people like Harry Mudd doing his thing and getting out of scrapes, did they? Since they didn't, this is the first.

This thing sounds like it has two people hauling crap form one place to another and aren't going to deal with the weird crap or basic space adventure stuff and if they did it would either eat them alive or else it look ridiculous as hell that some freighter could handle stuff state of the art starship have trouble with.
As I said above, it'll have what stories like this have-the adventures of a civilian spacer and how the ship cargo from place to place-stories that have existed in literary sci-fi for years. To paraphrase the opening lines from a famous early 1960s police procedural, 'There are 1,000 stories of the big galaxy-this is one of them.'

As said before how the hell would they know it its a better story than Into Darkness which hasn't come out yet?
Failure on my part-I should have indicated the 2009 movie only. People don't like the 2009 movie, and feel that the current movie will be more of the same. To such people, this story has more heart than the 2009 movie and the upcoming one. Also, many fans have probably wondered about what civilian life in the Star Trek universe is like-this show displayes that (and displays that quite well.)
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Old April 13 2013, 11:35 PM   #36
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Probably because it is (and I mean no offense) boring as hell.
Boring to you, not to the millions of people who have read similar stories in science fiction and fantasy. Have you ever read the two Han Solo books? Or the Lando Calrissian books?
Or any other book about space traders/space commerce? All of them are as exciting as stories based around military characters and adventures.
Nope and I don't really don't care.

The 1960s show had people going on fun space adventures and getting involved with all sorts of weird crap. Kind of like Star Trek 2009 did.
But they didn't have the adventures of people like Harry Mudd doing his thing and getting out of scrapes, did they? Since they didn't, this is the first.
Except Harry Mudd didn't get out of his scrapes Kirk threw his ass in the brig for either almost getting them killed twice or generally making their lives difficult by either almost unleashing an army of androids who anted to take over the universe or whatever the hell that thing with the love potion stuff from TAS was about.

Hell he never factored into anything until after he ran into the Enterprise

This thing sounds like it has two people hauling crap form one place to another and aren't going to deal with the weird crap or basic space adventure stuff and if they did it would either eat them alive or else it look ridiculous as hell that some freighter could handle stuff state of the art starship have trouble with.
As I said above, it'll have what stories like this have-the adventures of a civilian spacer and how the ship cargo from place to place-stories that have existed in literary sci-fi for years.
Again sounds boring.

To paraphrase the opening lines from a famous early 1960s police procedural, 'There are 1,000 stories of the big galaxy-this is one of them.'
And I tend to like the ones that are about space adventures

As said before how the hell would they know it its a better story than Into Darkness which hasn't come out yet?
Failure on my part-I should have indicated the 2009 movie only. People don't like the 2009 movie, and feel that the current movie will be more of the same.
How nice for them.

To such people, this story has more heart than the 2009 movie and the upcoming one.
The same people who probably either don't like TOS or think it was the same as TNG basically.

Also, many fans have probably wondered about what civilian life in the Star Trek universe is like-this show displayes that (and displays that quite well.)
You assume that.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:37 PM   #37
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In a writing sense, the Federation pretty much exists to justify the existence of Starfleet, which exists solely to legitimize the Enterprise and her crew and to give their mission purpose. It's supposed to be in the background. I find that satisfying enough.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:51 PM   #38
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In a writing sense, the Federation pretty much exists to justify the existence of Starfleet, which exists solely to legitimize the Enterprise and her crew and to give their mission purpose. It's supposed to be in the background. I find that satisfying enough.
This.
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Old April 13 2013, 11:55 PM   #39
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In a writing sense, the Federation pretty much exists to justify the existence of Starfleet, which exists solely to legitimize the Enterprise and her crew and to give their mission purpose. It's supposed to be in the background. I find that satisfying enough.
If anything the day to day stuff in the federation would be kind of boring, I mean most problems are probably dealt with already, attacks from other empires or powerful entities are less common (so you can't get drama from that) and if they do show up they have to be reasonably threatening to an area that should be well defended and as such should be rare or it get tedious and predictable, and there can't be too much strange new stuff seeing as the area would have been heavily charted and explored by now.

So, really the only things a starship could do in the place are some minor diplomatic missions, patrols against minor annoyances, and hauling crap from one starbases or planet to another or some of those other thing that really only explained why the Enterprise was in the area when the actually interesting stuff happened.
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Old April 14 2013, 01:34 PM   #40
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Aurora was very well conceived, but this is especially so considering its genre as a fan-film/tribute to Star Trek. Although I loved the first story, I am a Trek fan who's receptive to fan-films; I wouldn't expect a more general audience to find it nearly as interesting as I did. Also, its animation style is not ready for prime time, and I would be surprised if Vining himself thought it was.
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True story. I too would rather see something stylistic that has energy and isn't dedicated to being "photorealistic." While I loved comic artist Gorden Purchell and Jerome K. Moore tenure on DC's STAR TREK comics , but really loved the more stylistic impression of the universe from Tom Sutton and Pablo Marcos. And I really loved Paul Pope's STAR TREK short comic in WIRED.
I would put Gray Morrow on that list as well.
Agreed. Loved the pencil-sketch quality to his art.
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Old April 15 2013, 07:09 PM   #42
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Actually, it's earning raves because it's a different take on Star Trek-the civilian side that we rarely ever see in the shows, novels, and movies. Also, it hearkens back to the 1960's show somewhat. That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
I've seen all of the first one, and it's typical of fans who grew up on TNG attempting to do TOS, and delivering TOS-disguised TNG. The only way it hearkens back to The 60's is in the shape of the Aurora's nacelles. It's main characters, however, evoke the 80's (TMNT cartoon) and aughts (ENT). You want to compare them to Harry Mudd? Then they should at least be as orginal and intriguing as Mudd was when he first appeared.
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Old April 15 2013, 07:51 PM   #43
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That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
Anyone who thinks that is no one whose taste or opinion I would respect.
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Old April 16 2013, 11:18 PM   #44
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That, and people who've see all of it (not just some-check out the whole movie) feel that it's a better story the the 2009 movie or the upcoming one.
Anyone who thinks that is no one whose taste or opinion I would respect.
You don't have to respect them (I sure as frack don't) but you do have to acknowledge and tolerate them, just as I have to. That said, although I don't agree with them about the 2009 movie, I do share their love (if they know about it) of Star Trek: Aurora, and hope that its style becomes the style of a future Star Trek show, rather than just slavishly imitating Star Wars: The Clone Wars or Green Lantern: The Animated Series.

BTW, there are realistic style CGI cartoons with the art of Star Trek: Aurora that have aired already, and were somewhat successful:















After looking at all of that, can you all then tell me that a Star Trek cartoon animated like that wouldn't be successful?
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Old April 17 2013, 03:20 PM   #45
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Most of those examples are dreadful. The final one at least doesn't look like cheap department store mannequins. Other than that, there's a ton of 3D porn on the Internet made by amateurs using Poser that's better on a technical level.

CBS/Paramount can easily go on without "success" on the scale that these examples represent, although it's easy to imagine them hankering after the Clone Wars audience instead.

Let me spell it out: if a studio is going to do 3D animation they ought to do it well. The examples you keep throwing out as "gotchas!" are poor examples of 3D animation and utterly fail to make your point.
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