The jello in Allegiance

swaaye · March 7 2013, 09:16 PM

Ever since I first saw this episode, the cylindrical jello slices have fascinated me. Does anyone know exactly what they were? lol

Mojochi · March 7 2013, 10:40 PM

"It's edible, but I wouldn't exactly call it food". LOL! Do you mean an in universe explanation? I'm not aware of one. In reality, it looks like a garden variety slab of gelatin, perhaps like a big hockey puck shaped Gummy Bear

My favorite part of that scene is that it kind of has a quiet squishy sound when Picard bites into it, & then it kind of softly splats when he puts it down

For some inexplicable reason, I actually like this TNG episode. My only issue is that I don't remember there being any water. That would be the 1st necessity

Mott the barber · March 7 2013, 11:13 PM

I'd just like to go on the record and say I love how this is its own topic.

swaaye · March 8 2013, 03:21 AM

Thanks to Netflix on the tablet, I showed the clip to a culinary pro that I know. lol. It is indeed probably a thick gelatin mix. I am going to create it myself and undoubtedly get rich!

Use of Time · March 8 2013, 03:48 AM

One disk too. Is that supposed to feed everybody?

Tosk · March 8 2013, 03:53 AM

No one is ever seen doing more than licking at them, right? I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually just plastic discs.

...or urinal cakes.

Use of Time wrote:

One disk too. Is that supposed to feed everybody?

There's at least ten of them in the dispenser.

Use of Time · March 8 2013, 04:00 AM

Thank God.

Mojochi · March 8 2013, 04:50 AM

Tosk wrote:

No one is ever seen doing more than licking at them, right? I wouldn't be surprised if they were actually just plastic discs.

...or urinal cakes.

Use of Time wrote:

One disk too. Is that supposed to feed everybody?

There's at least ten of them in the dispenser.

Yeah, it's a shoot that dispenses them indefinitely I presume

Big dude licks it, but Picard takes a nibble & chews it down. So I figure they made something edible for the scene. It's pretty easy to make a gelatin slab from powdered gelatin packs which are abundant & cheap

& I agree with Mott. This is a pretty neat topic, that I haven't discussed before

M · March 8 2013, 07:10 AM

I don't know why, but this thing has always fascinated me, too. I love how it dispenses from this machine and how careful Picard is biting off of it. I'd also guess this is some kind of gelatin mix. It probably tastes like strawberry or some other kind of red fruit.

As for the episode itself, I always had a soft spot for this one. It has some Twilight Zone-esque qualities to it. It's fun to guess who exactly is the enemy amoung the group. And it's nice to see Stewart out of character on the Enterprise.

LOKAI of CHERON · March 8 2013, 10:10 PM

Tosk wrote:

...or urinal cakes.

Oh, you just had to go and put that idea in my head, didn't you!

Mojochi · March 8 2013, 10:21 PM

Every time I see this thread, for a second I think it says Jellico, & am annoyed because the last thing we need is another discussion about THAT guy

But then I realize it says jello, & my mood suddenly improves

billcosby · March 8 2013, 10:30 PM

You mean what was used for the prop?
I wish I knew. Of all the pointless and stupid questions Patrick Stewart was asked over the years, is asking this one out of the question? Now I need to know, too.

Maxwell Everett · March 9 2013, 01:37 AM

Not many people know this (though probably many here I'd bet), but gelatin is made from collagen, which comes from animal bones and skin. Looking it up on Google/Wikipedia, it's derived from pork skins, pork, horses, and cattle bones, or split cattle hides. Its composition is 84%-90% protein, 1%-2% mineral salts and 8%-15% water. Gelatin contains no fat and has about 95 calories per ounce. An ounce of gelatin satisfies about 2% of your daily needs for iron and calcium. By itself, it's essentially odorless and tasteless.

Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment?

swaaye · March 9 2013, 03:11 AM

For that matter, those slices were pinkish red too. Gelled puree of prisoner.

Tosk · March 9 2013, 03:30 AM

Maxwell Everett wrote:

Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment?

That would be a bit at odds with their later statements though.

"We were merely curious. We meant no harm."
"We did not, after all, injure you in any way."

March 7 2013, 09:16 PM	#1
swaaye Lieutenant Commander	The jello in Allegiance Ever since I first saw this episode, the cylindrical jello slices have fascinated me. Does anyone know exactly what they were? lol

March 7 2013, 10:40 PM	#2
Mojochi Fleet Captain	Re: The jello in Allegiance "It's edible, but I wouldn't exactly call it food". LOL! Do you mean an in universe explanation? I'm not aware of one. In reality, it looks like a garden variety slab of gelatin, perhaps like a big hockey puck shaped Gummy Bear My favorite part of that scene is that it kind of has a quiet squishy sound when Picard bites into it, & then it kind of softly splats when he puts it down For some inexplicable reason, I actually like this TNG episode. My only issue is that I don't remember there being any water. That would be the 1st necessity

March 7 2013, 11:13 PM	#3
Mott the barber Commodore	Re: The jello in Allegiance I'd just like to go on the record and say I love how this is its own topic. __________________ It's not you I hate, Cardassian. I hate what I became... because of you. --Miles O'Brien in "The Wounded"

March 8 2013, 03:21 AM	#4
swaaye Lieutenant Commander	Re: The jello in Allegiance Thanks to Netflix on the tablet, I showed the clip to a culinary pro that I know. lol. It is indeed probably a thick gelatin mix. I am going to create it myself and undoubtedly get rich! Last edited by swaaye; March 8 2013 at 03:46 AM.

March 8 2013, 03:48 AM	#5
Use of Time Fleet Captain Location: Va. Beach, VA	Re: The jello in Allegiance One disk too. Is that supposed to feed everybody? __________________ Searching for something, a million miles and a ways to go.

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March 8 2013, 04:00 AM	#7
Use of Time Fleet Captain Location: Va. Beach, VA	Re: The jello in Allegiance Thank God. __________________ Searching for something, a million miles and a ways to go.

March 8 2013, 07:10 AM	#9
M Vice Admiral	Re: The jello in Allegiance I don't know why, but this thing has always fascinated me, too. I love how it dispenses from this machine and how careful Picard is biting off of it. I'd also guess this is some kind of gelatin mix. It probably tastes like strawberry or some other kind of red fruit. As for the episode itself, I always had a soft spot for this one. It has some Twilight Zone-esque qualities to it. It's fun to guess who exactly is the enemy amoung the group. And it's nice to see Stewart out of character on the Enterprise. __________________ Bashir: »Out of all the stories you told me, which ones were true and which ones weren't?« Garak: »My dear doctor, they're all true.« Bashir: »Even the lies?« Garak: »Especially the lies.«

March 8 2013, 10:21 PM	#11
Mojochi Fleet Captain	Re: The jello in Allegiance Every time I see this thread, for a second I think it says Jellico, & am annoyed because the last thing we need is another discussion about THAT guy But then I realize it says jello, & my mood suddenly improves

March 8 2013, 10:30 PM	#12
billcosby Commodore Location: billcosby	Re: The jello in Allegiance You mean what was used for the prop? I wish I knew. Of all the pointless and stupid questions Patrick Stewart was asked over the years, is asking this one out of the question? Now I need to know, too. __________________ My 1st Edition TrekCCG virtual expansion: http://billcosbytrekccg.blogspot.com/

March 9 2013, 01:37 AM	#13
Maxwell Everett Fleet Captain Location: Los Angeles, CA	Re: The jello in Allegiance Not many people know this (though probably many here I'd bet), but gelatin is made from collagen, which comes from animal bones and skin. Looking it up on Google/Wikipedia, it's derived from pork skins, pork, horses, and cattle bones, or split cattle hides. Its composition is 84%-90% protein, 1%-2% mineral salts and 8%-15% water. Gelatin contains no fat and has about 95 calories per ounce. An ounce of gelatin satisfies about 2% of your daily needs for iron and calcium. By itself, it's essentially odorless and tasteless. Personally, I always assumed that the gelatin discs in "Allegiance" were made from the collagen from the bodies of the previous inhabitants of the prison cell! Brings a whole new darker spin to the episode, huh? What would've happened to them if Picard hadn't discovered that the Starfleet cadet was an imposter and the aliens ended the experiment? __________________ "Shake off all the fears & servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion." -Thomas Jefferson

March 9 2013, 03:11 AM	#14
swaaye Lieutenant Commander	Re: The jello in Allegiance For that matter, those slices were pinkish red too. Gelled puree of prisoner.