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Old March 4 2013, 07:33 AM   #1
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Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

This goes back to the original series and doesn't make much sense. Supposedly "operations" officers wear the same color (red or gold, depending on what century we're in), but it seems to me it would've made more sense to make security and engineering distinct from one another. What exactly keeps an engineer from being mistaken for a security officer and vice versa?
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Old March 4 2013, 09:02 AM   #2
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

Security officers always have phasers.
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Old March 4 2013, 01:30 PM   #3
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

Ship operations are in the same branch.

Though I'm not sure of the exact definition of such. Maybe it's anything to do with how a ship or facility is powered, operated, and manned.
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Old March 4 2013, 01:56 PM   #4
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

The Orion Syndicate only offers three kinds of dye.
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Old March 4 2013, 02:39 PM   #5
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

The same colour reflect the fact the two departments have very similar training. As proven in Chain of Command, one of the first things Jellico does upon taking command of the Enterprise is transfer half its engineering staff to security. The only way that can be possible is if the two departments have similar training.
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Old March 4 2013, 02:47 PM   #6
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

Both jobs have the tendency to be the most hazardous. In security, the reasons are obvious. In engineering, one could get caught in machinery. Red hides the blood better.
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Old March 4 2013, 02:53 PM   #7
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

Its so that when you run out of security, there's still crewmen to get shot...
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Old March 4 2013, 03:38 PM   #8
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

I've suggested it before, it's not so much that engineering and security are the same color.

It's more a case of--command is gold, sciences are blue, and everything else is red (or gold depending on your century).
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Old March 4 2013, 07:09 PM   #9
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

I thought they just picked what colours looked best of the actors and then justified them later, hence it not making the best of sense. Then in TNG, Patrick Stewart looked better in red than yellow, so they switched those colours around, and since Brent Spiner's makeup looked better with gold instead of science blue, the vague position of "operations officer" was created.
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Old March 4 2013, 07:33 PM   #10
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

SchwEnt wrote: View Post
I've suggested it before, it's not so much that engineering and security are the same color.

It's more a case of--command is gold, sciences are blue, and everything else is red (or gold depending on your century).
I like this idea.
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Old March 4 2013, 07:49 PM   #11
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

What does "command" mean? Kirk as commanding officer would wear the green/gold of "command", sure, but then why would anyone else? Sulu wears green/gold - what does helm have to do with "command"?
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Old March 4 2013, 08:09 PM   #12
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

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What does "command" mean? Kirk as commanding officer would wear the green/gold of "command", sure, but then why would anyone else? Sulu wears green/gold - what does helm have to do with "command"?
Helm specifically, nothing much, I'd imagine. Wearing red seems to indicate the person in question is a line officer (or whatever the equivalent term might be in-universe).

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In the United States armed forces, the term line officer or officer of the line refers to a Navy, Marine, Air Force or Coast Guard officer who exercises general command authority and is eligible for operational command positions, as opposed to officers who normally exercise authority within a specialty.
As an explanation this creates problems when we consider that Data is second in line to command, though. But I guess you can only wear one color uniform and since he's Ops Officer under normal circumstances, I can overlook it. He wore red when serving as Riker's XO in 'Gambit'.
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Old March 4 2013, 08:10 PM   #13
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Re: Why do engineering and security have the same color uniform?

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What does "command" mean? Kirk as commanding officer would wear the green/gold of "command", sure, but then why would anyone else? Sulu wears green/gold - what does helm have to do with "command"?
Command generally deals with leadership, but it can also involve flight control, administration, clerical, and perhaps general services, IMO. Most Starfleet captains and admirals seem to come from the command branch.
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Old March 4 2013, 08:15 PM   #14
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I recently saw a yellowshirt admiral on a DS9 episode and thought it very strange.
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Old March 4 2013, 08:25 PM   #15
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^Yes, that was Admiral Toddman. I thought it was a nice touch. We saw flag officers wearing operations red in TOS, (Commodores Stone and Stocker) so why not have admirals wearing gold and blue? I have always thought Admiral Haftel from "The Offspring" should've worn sciences blue. He was definitely qualified for sciences, seeing as he assisted Data in operating on Lal.
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