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Old March 1 2013, 01:36 AM   #16
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Re: They killed Kelso!

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Let's assume Dehner's force lightning weakened him enough for the rock to win.
*head spins at the cross-franchise anachronistic reference*
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Old March 1 2013, 01:45 AM   #17
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Let's assume Dehner's force lightning weakened him enough for the rock to win.
*head spins at the cross-franchise anachronistic reference*
You're Welcome! It's a good think Lucas doesn't sue for something he used 20+ years later

Really, though, Gary could have been in there evolving, maybe he joined the Q.
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Old March 1 2013, 01:53 AM   #18
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As far as Mitchell being killed off, was he really? We see him fall into the grave and a huge rock falls on top of it. It looked to me like the rock just covered the top of the grave and didn't necessarily crush Mitchell to death.

They could've done a follow up where Mitchell returns and this time he's REALLY pissed off!
"Let me be very clear about this, Mister Chekov. Do not go to the Delta Vega system. Ever. Do not let any ship you are serving on go there. Do not let any ship rumored to be considering it go there. You are to commit mutiny and premeditated murder if that's what it takes to prevent any captain from going there. Is that clear?

"Yes, I know you weren't on the Enterprise when it happened, but that didn't stop you with the Ceti Alpha system."
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Old March 1 2013, 01:55 AM   #19
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If you think Kelso, or Gary Mitchell for that matter, died in this episode, you clearly did not read the short story 'Return to Where No Man Has Gone Before' which I wrote in the 9th (grade circa 1979. )

Come to think of it, no one read it except myself and the teacher. I think I got an 'A!" : )

Fanfic as a school writing project? Really?
Why not? I wrote a short story about Supergirl in 7th grade English.
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Old March 1 2013, 02:19 AM   #20
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Let's assume Dehner's force lightning weakened him enough for the rock to win.
*head spins at the cross-franchise anachronistic reference*
You're Welcome! It's a good think Lucas doesn't sue for something he used 20+ years later

Really, though, Gary could have been in there evolving, maybe he joined the Q.


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Old March 1 2013, 02:26 AM   #21
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Let's assume Dehner's force lightning weakened him enough for the rock to win.
That--and he by Mitchell's own words earlier that day, he was "getting stronger," which can be read as he had not reached his potential, so yeah, a giant, rocky outcropping would be enough to crush him after suffering an attack from both Dehner and a brief beating at the hands of Kirk.
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Old March 1 2013, 03:22 AM   #22
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Re: They killed Kelso!

Retroactively speaking, I wonder if Kelso is a descendant of Charles Tucker...ever notice how Paul Carr looks like Connor Trinneer?

In fact... isn't Kelso supposed to have lived in an orphanage during childhood? He could be Charles Tucker the Tenth (or whichever generation would be alive at this time), and not even know it!
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Old March 1 2013, 03:42 AM   #23
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Kelso was given a backstory?
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Old March 1 2013, 04:22 AM   #24
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The orphanage backstory for Kelso comes from the Pocket Books novel trilogy My Brother's Keeper by Michael Jan Friedman. But there have been various books and comics that have interpreted him and other pilot-era characters and events in differing ways.
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Old March 1 2013, 06:07 PM   #25
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You know, a thought just occurred to me... when they did "Mirror, Mirror," it would have been WAY COOL if they had brought the characters of Kelso... maybe even Gary Mitchell... back in the other universe.
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Old March 1 2013, 10:05 PM   #26
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You know, a thought just occurred to me... when they did "Mirror, Mirror," it would have been WAY COOL if they had brought the characters of Kelso... maybe even Gary Mitchell... back in the other universe.
That was before "f^nw^nk" was invented.
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Old March 1 2013, 10:12 PM   #27
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^Well, you could argue that TOS helped invent it, because they did bring back recurring characters like Riley and DeSalle and Martine. And they brought back Harry Mudd, and they tried to bring back Kor in "Day of the Dove" but Colicos was unavailable.

Still, I think the priority behind "Mirror, Mirror" was "dark reflections of the familiar cast" (hence the title), not "alternate reality as opportunity to resurrect dead characters from a year-old episode that most people probably don't remember." After all, at the time, the pilot hadn't been rerun much if at all yet, so audiences hadn't had the chance to get as intrigued by that "alternate crew" and its missed opportunities as we became later on.
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Old March 1 2013, 10:22 PM   #28
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Gary's the Emperor and Kelso is dead in the Mirror Universe.
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Old March 1 2013, 11:11 PM   #29
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I always thought it would have been cool to show a Klingon crewmember in "Mirror, Mirror" without any commentary but neatly implying that the Terran Empire had conquered the Klingpons. If they had, the whole MU saga might have taken a different tack.
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Old March 1 2013, 11:11 PM   #30
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Most likely, Mirror Gary would have lived a normal life (such as it was), since the Empire wasn't big on exploration and thus probably wouldn't have sent a ship to probe the edge of the galaxy. And if they had and Gary had shown dangerous powers, Mirror Kirk wouldn't have hesitated to kill him.
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