The only unknown actor from TOS...

[CorporalCaptain]

Gil T.Azell wrote:

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here is some info on her.

That's neat, but the link from where you got it would be even neater, and... what does any of that info have to do with the question of whether Victoria Vetri played Isis's human form? Anything at all?

[Grant]

Marsden wrote:
Regarding small speaking parts that aren't billed, an actor can ask not to be billed, especially if that actor doesn't want that on their resume. And Star Trek might have been the kind of show someone didn't want to admit working on, at the time.

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Sometimes actors do that, but every actor that went unbilled on TOS were unknowns and the parts were a line or two. So it wasn't a case of a established actor not wanting to be credited for a sci-fi show.

[mb22]

What about the uncredited faceless crew woman in "Charlie X"? Does moaning count?

[Grant]

mb22 wrote:

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What about the ucredited faceless crew woman in "Charlie X"? Does moaning count?

That was king of hit and miss on TOS, the transporter operator in "That Which.." had no lines, (he moaned when he died) and got billing as did the guy who moaned when Karidian stabbed him in "Conscience.." (in the play)

But perhaps the 'faceless woman' actually had her moans dubbed over in post by someone else (or a 'stock moan' was on tape LOL) and therefore didn't get credit.

That's why I stick to 'spoken lines' in my count, because clearly everybody who coughed, choked, fainted and did stuff like that isn't really an actor (whether of not they may have held a SAG card)

What's kind of interesting is that there are about 6 or 7 actors who spoke lines on TOS and never had another single acting credit. If you were to thrown in everybody who moaned or winced--you'd have a lot of one-shot 'actors' who can at least say, "I was on Star Trek!"

[Christopher]

Grant wrote:

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Regarding small speaking parts that aren't billed, an actor can ask not to be billed, especially if that actor doesn't want that on their resume. And Star Trek might have been the kind of show someone didn't want to admit working on, at the time.

Not the kind of show? It was nominated for Emmys every year it was on the air. It was the number one reason people were buying color television sets in 1967. Critical reaction may have been mixed and its ratings may never have been great, but I think it was seen as a pretty prestigious show compared to other SFTV of the day.

Besides, the only people who might choose to go uncredited for the reason you state are people with enough prominence and reputation to be damaged in the first place. Yet all the big-name actors who appeared on ST did get credited. The few uncredited actors are bit players, people who would've needed all the screen credits and publicity they could get in order to advance their careers. I can't see people like that refusing credit for anything less embarrassing than a porn film. (Yes, Judson Scott went uncredited in TWOK, but I gather that was due more to his agent's bad judgment than his. I guess it's possible some actors or their agents could make such a decision, but it would be a pretty bad decision.)

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Christopher wrote:

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Not the kind of show? It was nominated for Emmys every year it was on the air. It was the number one reason people were buying color television sets in 1967. Critical reaction may have been mixed and its ratings may never have been great, but I think it was seen as a pretty prestigious show compared to other SFTV of the day.

Besides, the only people who might choose to go uncredited for the reason you state are people with enough prominence and reputation to be damaged in the first place. Yet all the big-name actors who appeared on ST did get credited. The few uncredited actors are bit players, people who would've needed all the screen credits and publicity they could get in order to advance their careers. I can't see people like that refusing credit for anything less embarrassing than a porn film.

So why did Grainger Hines refuse a credit on TNG?

[Grant]

Christopher wrote:

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Not the kind of show? It was nominated for Emmys every year it was on the air. It was the number one reason people were buying color television sets in 1967. Critical reaction may have been mixed and its ratings may never have been great, but I think it was seen as a pretty prestigious show compared to other SFTV of the day.

Besides, the only people who might choose to go uncredited for the reason you state are people with enough prominence and reputation to be damaged in the first place. Yet all the big-name actors who appeared on ST did get credited. The few uncredited actors are bit players, people who would've needed all the screen credits and publicity they could get in order to advance their careers. I can't see people like that refusing credit for anything less embarrassing than a porn film. (Yes, Judson Scott went uncredited in TWOK, but I gather that was due more to his agent's bad judgment than his. I guess it's possible some actors or their agents could make such a decision, but it would be a pretty bad decision.)

Whaaa? I agree with every word!


Star Trek was not a show that actors were ashamed to be on. Literally scores of quality character actors appeared on it.


And Grainger Hines? 25 years later, on TNG?

Wow, that's really relevant.

He gave a crappy, unprofessional performance and effort--they were forced to dub his lines and then he (probably along with his agent) deemed it wise to keep off his resume.

By the way Christpher--you were actually quoting Marsden. LOL.

There was a glitch when I quoted him and it got credited to me. Wonder if you would have been so quick to rebut his comment?

[The Laughing Vulcan]

Grant wrote:

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And Grainger Hines? 25 years later, on TNG?

Wow, that's really relevant.

He gave a crappy, unprofessional performance and effort--they were forced to dub his lines and then he (probably along with his agent) deemed it wise to keep off his resume.

Didn't need the rolleyes, but thanks for the information.

Didn't realise that he was dubbed. Actually it's obvious that he's dubbed, but I thought he had looped his own lines.

[Grant]

^^Yeah, sorry about the eyes.


Very few name actors hav EVER not taken billing on Trek.

Whoopi Goldberg--not because she was ashamed, but I think her $ rate would have been hign if she took billing, so she went unbilled and they paid her a nominal fee.

Judson Scott as was stated, because his agent was inept.


Madge Sinclair in "Voyage Home" don't know why--surely she didn't think Trek 4 was 'beneath her'

Rene' Aberjonois in Trek 6, because his part was originally cut and then when they restored it, they didn't change the credits.

[Christopher]

Grant wrote:

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There was a glitch when I quoted him and it got credited to me. Wonder if you would have been so quick to rebut his comment?

Of course I would have been. You seem to have taken our minor disagreement personally, but I haven't. After all, we're strangers, so why should it be personal? It's just about getting the facts straight to me.

[Grant]

Christopher wrote:

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Of course I would have been. You seem to have taken our minor disagreement personally, but I haven't. After all, we're strangers, so why should it be personal? It's just about getting the facts straight to me.

Cool. I'm glad most of us can see that TOS was never a show that anyone was ashamed to act in.

A few actors, such as Terri Garr got tired of answering questions about her minor guest shot 20 years later and refused to talk about it. probably a little self conscious of her early work as some actors are.

I also hate the myth of TOS as a 'low budget show'--TOS was NOT a low budget show.

It was simply that showing new worlds, matte paintings, costumes, ships, sets and props on what was a good budget was hard to do.

Unlike a Bonanza or Gunsmoke where every week the guest actors were wearing the same guns, the same outfits, riding the same horses, standing on the same sets as the guests from the previous week.

[CrazyMatt]

Don't the call sheets from the episode list all the actors in a scene?

[Harvey]

The ones I have seen for TOS haven't identified background performers. They just list the number of extras needed for each scene.

[CorporalCaptain]

But wasn't someone charged with the responsibility of making sure that the same actress returned each day? How would that get done, if her name wasn't written down anywhere? Hers was really a non-speaking part, as we've apparently established. And she returned, how many days to shoot the whole episode?