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Old June 30 2014, 02:17 PM   #601
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Body and Soul
Holy Crap. Jeri Ryan's performance as the Doctor is incredible. It's moments like this that you get reminded how good an actor Ryan is, and why the show does get a little Seven-centric at times. She deserves it.
Jeri Ryan's Robert Picardo is uncanny, isn't it?
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Old July 1 2014, 10:42 AM   #602
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It was so good!

Watched Inside Man

I like Hologram Barcaly was so confident and personable. And nice to see a concept from TNG (that of Ferengi coming up with a ridiculous scheme for some profit) rear it's head. I know one of the derogatory terms this show gets thrown at it is TNG-lite, but other than it's a Star Trek show on another ship I don't really see it. The very idea of the franchise means it's going to have certain qualities. Maybe it was because it was so close on the heels. Anyway, fun episode that called back to the previous series, even if it was the third, I like that Barclay got his own little arc.
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Old July 1 2014, 10:54 AM   #603
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I got Season 7 in May or June, and it's the only season of Voyager I have. I've got a few on Fan Collectives too. "Body and Soul" must be my favorite of the season, as I liked it when I saw it on airdate, and it's the one I watch the most now. Jeri is so funny in it. I give a lot of credit to director Robert Duncan McNeill for his work with the actors in it, though he was probably concentrating more on the technical stuff. Ryan, Picardo, Wang, and the guest cast give him some great performances. It's pure farce and must have been a lot of fun.
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Old July 3 2014, 10:12 AM   #604
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Man, why did I do that big speech about maybe using the odd bit of TNG continuity was a good thing, then immediately get it followed up by this. I realise that I watched Inside Man out of place, which makes Prophecy stand out more for bringing in the Klingons in. Not an entirely bad way, but it was a bit odd that they were all acting like they'd been out there for centuries, but it was just hundred years, they're third generation tops. Overall, the use of Tom and B'elanna made this episode better than it had any real right being. I'm really enjoying their baby storyline.

The Void
I loved this one, mostly for the Alliance that Janeway puts togehter. Voyager forming an alliance with disparate groups was a really good angle, and it's something I really wish we'd seen more of over the seven seasons. Also Voyager looked way cooler in the dark than it did during the last time we were stuck in the middle of blank space.
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Old July 5 2014, 02:41 AM   #605
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"The only Klingon I'm afraid of is my wife after she's worked a double shift!"

Loved that ep.

"The Void" is Janeway's answer to Max & Ransom's charge that she only held onto her Starfleet ideals because her ship was never tested like the Equinox had been.
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Old July 5 2014, 03:28 AM   #606
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The Void is one of my favorite Voyager episodes by far.

Inside Man I hated. There are some TNG traditions worth preserving, and 'Ferengi as cartoon villains' isn't one of them.

Prophecy has one of Neelix's best moments.
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Old July 5 2014, 04:38 PM   #607
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"The only Klingon I'm afraid of is my wife after she's worked a double shift!"
Tom and B'elanna have been awesome this season, and that's probably one of Tom's best moments.

If anything I've felt that this season has drifted back towards the rest of the crew after the Janeway, Seven and Doctor show everyone moans about.
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Old July 6 2014, 01:17 PM   #608
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Nothing big to really state about this. Not sure why Janeway couldn't have invited her fella aboard as a civilian though. I mean the real world aspect of new actor I totally get, but in-universe it could have been "You can come onboard, but you wouldn't be able to work because I'm the captain, but I realise that's not fair" "I got offered a promotion too" "oh in that case I totally understand, but hey, goodbye sex?"

Human Error
Chakotay/7 was one of those things I heard about that had always put me off watching on all of Voyager for a few years. Yet the introduction of it here is actually done half decently. Seven, finally has hit a point in her development where she actually wants to do more human things, but doesn't want to appear weak so does it in secret. Clever idea, and does fit the character quite well.

I'm sorta surprised the Doctor didn't mention that using the crew (or at the least Chakotay) in that way wasn't looked down well on, then again that she's actually exploring that side of her is a huge step forward, so he decides turn a blind eye.
I'm not sold on the relationship becoming a thing, but Seven side makes sense, from an almost teenage discovering her sexuality stand point anyway.
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Old July 6 2014, 02:13 PM   #609
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Seven using a Chakotay blow-up doll is one thing. But Chakotay finding out Seven is using a blow-up doll of himself and then making the moves to take its place seems rather ewww-ish of him.
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But wouldn't you?
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Old July 7 2014, 05:25 PM   #611
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Especially in that red dress. I kinda zoned out when she put that on.

Q2
Erm... See I can tell what the writers were going for, but they really don't pull it off. The lessons learnt by Q2 just don't seem to sit. Sure he calms down a little bit but the episode just never sells it that well.
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Old July 8 2014, 03:22 AM   #612
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But... but... but!

It has THIS wonderful exchange.

Q2: Aunt Kathy...

JANEWAY: DON'T you 'Aunt Kathy' me!!!!!!
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Old July 12 2014, 10:56 AM   #613
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The end is drawing close. I had't realised how close till I watched two episodes last night.



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I'm not sure how I feel about the Doctor not realising that his work came across as a representation of Voyager. It felt like something he might do in season 2 or 3, but s7 EMH seems a lot more switched on than that.
Then we just get a retelling of Measure of a Man but with a hologram instead of an android. The only thing that really stood out about this episode was the massive argument than Paris and the EMH had in the corridor.

Friendship One
An alright episode, but Carey's death was spoilt by two factors. One, he hasn't been seen in ages, except for a flashback to the season where he was common place, and unfortunately I've seen mentions here of him reappearing just to die.
Janeway comes across as a little odd here too. Goes from wanting to help, to getting her men back and not giving a shit, to being fully dedicated again. Some weird writing.
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Old July 12 2014, 10:13 PM   #614
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Friendship One was a mess. They could have possible done something interesting with the concept "Earth gave this other planet technology before the prime directive was in place and they destroyed themselves with it". But writing it as a simple hostage situation with their usual "There is one guy who is unwilling to listen no matter what and one other more sympathetic guy open to reason" pattern made it bland and dull. I don't know what they were thinking bringing back a long-unused character just to redshirt him.

For the 7/Chakotay thing to work they would have had to spend the first half of the season establishing a rapport between the characters.
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Old July 14 2014, 10:41 PM   #615
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Damn, somehow my last post got lost. To sum up: Neelix has a good send off, but Renaissance Man is misplaced. Might have been okay earlier, but after Homestead it felt wrong. Homestead was starting to dim the lights, all set for the big finale, then Renaissance Man turned those lights back up to full and tried to pretend the end wasn't nigh.

ANYWAY

Endgame

I liked it. Okay, it needed a lot more about coming home. Where was Tom talking to his father? How the Marquis were dealt with now that they're back taking into account their exemplary performance? It didn't really offer any of the things you really wanted the Voyager finale to deal with, but it was a decent episode over all. Which I guess is the major problem, it's a good two parter, but not a good series end.

I liked Barclay's part in the whole thing though. How he really became an extra member of the crew being the man who got them talking etc, and by the time they make it back (the long way) he is one of them.

I'm writing this seconds after finishing it, so my thoughts are a little splurgy. And I'm buying Homecoming to read as well, because I really want to experience their actual homecoming.
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