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Old April 8 2013, 01:33 PM   #151
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She's only going to live nine years, she doesn't need that lung.

I assume the Ocampans must mate for life, since they don't live long enough to get sick of each other.. and she was probably at a loss as to how to break up with someone and what was required. I bet she took all her cues from the soap operas she watched in Future's End!
Kes has total recall on everything.

Every second of every day with the same man for 6 or 7 years?

Humans forget 90 percent of the unimportant stuff, and we still want to kill our spouses before the first year has rung out.

She has the human equivalent of centuries worth of "life with Neelix" after only a few months.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:48 PM   #152
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I would have liked to have seen her divorce Tom after the baby was born. And then the baby can divorce Harry like 5 minutes later. Within the next two years the two of them run through half the males on the ship and no one can ever call them bad names about it because that would be speciest.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:48 PM   #153
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She's only going to live nine years, she doesn't need that lung.

I assume the Ocampans must mate for life, since they don't live long enough to get sick of each other.. and she was probably at a loss as to how to break up with someone and what was required. I bet she took all her cues from the soap operas she watched in Future's End!
Kes outright states this in the episode. They mate for life, no jealously, infidelity nothing. The concept is beyond her. Which leads the Doctor to point out, "Your homeworld must have very dry literature."

teacake, that's a great spin on Neelix, now if only the show actually used that instead of what we got.
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Old April 8 2013, 01:58 PM   #154
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Kes' father died when Kes was 1.

Kes' mother gave birth to Kes when she was 3.

Therefore...

Kes' father was 7 when he knocked up Kes' mum, and 8 when she was born... Adjusting for shorter gestation periods of course, so dad could have been knocked up the mother, raised the daughter, and then died all during his 8th year of life.

If we assume that this is normal.

It's easy for a female Ocampa to mate for life if her husband is already on the verge of death when she meets him.

Kes dating, bonding, and mating with men who will oh so very easily outlive her must upend her biological clock entirely, that between the ages of 4 and nine by her Ocampan assumptions, women should get to put their feet up on their husbands tombstone and tell their children that they better be mighty careful about thinking that they have any yen for babysitting at this late stage in their development... Which clearly now a fraudulent lifeplan.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:11 PM   #155
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It's kind of convenient to marry an alien because you can throw out all your social and biological conditioning but you're seen as incredibly multicultural rather than an outlier.
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Old April 8 2013, 02:23 PM   #156
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[Hoffman]Mrs. Teacake, you're trying to seduce me. Aren't you?[/Hoffman]
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Old April 12 2013, 06:02 PM   #157
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Persistence of Vision - A telepathic attack on the ship that originally feels like a "Is the Captain going nuts" episode. I liked it. It moved things along nicely. Kes' powers get another outing, and the Captain's willpower to be not only the first effected, but then the last to succumb barring Kes' abilities, was pretty damn cool moment for the character.

Not too keen on the "Was I even here ending?" though. Though the fact they're all left reeling from the effects is a start.
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Old April 12 2013, 09:51 PM   #158
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Is that the one where the Neelix Impostor has what looks like shaving cream squeezing out of his face?
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Old April 13 2013, 10:13 AM   #159
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That's the one. Happens to Kes and I thought it was cotton wool, she projects it him and shaving cream flies off when he collapses.
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Old April 13 2013, 01:57 PM   #160
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That was icky.
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Old April 14 2013, 04:35 PM   #161
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Manoeuvres

Damn, I've got them in the wrong order. But anyway, the return of Seska. Not bad. But is there some requirement for facing the Kazon that requires Chakotay to go off in a shuttle and get captured. First the Nog episode, now again here. I think he secretly wants to defect.
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Old April 14 2013, 06:07 PM   #162
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Supposedly it's personal between Chakotay and Seska, as she was a member of his Maquis cell and they were lovers, but he never realized she was a spy. At least that's the story he keeps telling.
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Old April 14 2013, 09:31 PM   #163
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Oh sure, he keeps saying that, but I find it suspicious he keeps taking shuttles to Kazon ships.

And he blatantly ignoring Torres who's right in front of him... I actually don't remember this storyline at all.
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Old April 14 2013, 11:02 PM   #164
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Well, when her evil scheme involves impregnating herself with his DNA, it doesn't get more personal than that.
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What I can't get over is how easy this supposedly is. Extract a bit of DNA, does it have to be from any specific part? Blood? Is hair fine? And then what, magicmix it and you have something to combine with an egg and BOOM conception? Did Seska do this on the Kazon ship?! I can see her doing it on on Voyager though hard to get anything past the EMH with him there all the time but if she managed it on the Kazon ship she must have either replicated the tech needed while on VOY for the DNA jigging or it must be so simple even the Kazon medical facilities could manage it.

I'm picturing her huddled over a DNA crack pipe in some Jefferies tube, brewing up a baby.
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