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Old July 13 2014, 02:50 AM   #346
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Writer Roberto Orci No Longer Involved With ‘The Amazing Spider-Man’ Franchise

So no ASM3, Venom, or Sinister Six spinoff films for Orci. Are those spinoff films effectively canceled?
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Old July 13 2014, 03:53 AM   #347
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^ What, because one writer, who didn't even help write ASM1, moved on to direct Trek instead of staying a writer (a lower-paying gig)? Is that an honest question, or wishful thinking? Because if you think Sony's going to scrap a profitable franchise because one writer's moving on... you'd be very, very mistaken.
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Old July 13 2014, 05:41 AM   #348
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^ What, because one writer, who didn't even help write ASM1, moved on to direct Trek instead of staying a writer (a lower-paying gig)? Is that an honest question, or wishful thinking? Because if you think Sony's going to scrap a profitable franchise because one writer's moving on... you'd be very, very mistaken.
Calm down. I never said anything about scrapping the franchise, we all know that ASM3 is going to happen regardless of how ASM2 did, just that they might be changing their mind on doing spinoffs.
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Old July 13 2014, 06:04 PM   #349
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If you read the linked article (not the silly blog post, but the IGN article it links to), you'll see that Kurtzman is set to direct Venom, and Drew Goddard the Sinister Six project. Orci is out of the picture because he'll be busy writing and directing Trek for the next two years. And yes, that means he's now fully out of the loop. It's kinda weird, granted, but it happens.

It should be clear to anyone who's seen and followed the BTS drama of ASM2 (not to mention 1) that Sony hasn't exactly been following an orderly plan for this rebooted franchise, they're very much making up each step as they go along. So, yes, it's entirely possible that one or both of the spin-off movies won't actually happen.

That said, your proposed scenario of a Sony exec considering scrapping Venom and/or Sinister Six solely because Orci just got promoted to Trek director makes no sense at all.
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Old July 17 2014, 12:01 AM   #350
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Devin Faraci writes about changes made from an earlier draft of the movie's script.

#10... wtf!

#1... can MJ not be Peter's neighbor? Please?

#2... that sounds a bit better, but really, do we need a whole backstory on Electro? No. No, we do not. Just another day in the life of a superhero.

... Here, lemme fix the movie for Sony: in the legal chaos following the events of ASM1, Norman Osborn passes away, causing his genius son Harry to return from Europe, vowing revenge. Electro isn't connected to OsCorp, and is just a random headache Spidey has to deal with, and that gets resolved around the halfway mark. Being an impulsive risk-taker, Harry doses himself with a serum in order to be able to confront Spidey. Goblin/Spidey fight, involving Gwen, but in a twist!, Gwen survives... only to dump Peter, saying she loves him as a guy but just doesn't want anything to do with all his battles. He offers to go with her; she turns him down, saying she knows how much Spidey is a part of him now, and saying that someday, some gal out there will embrace both parts of him. She goes to England, and Peter now hates Goblin for taking her from him. Running time: 100 minutes.
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Old July 17 2014, 12:54 AM   #351
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Devin Faraci writes about changes made from an earlier draft of the movie's script.

#10... wtf!
Yeah, that one goes to show why it's good that scripts go through multiple drafts. Although a number of the other elements of the early draft would've been good to keep.


#1... can MJ not be Peter's neighbor? Please?
That's kind of what she was in the comics, though. In her very first appearance (well, nearly -- we didn't see her face) in The Amazing Spider-Man issue 25 in 1965, she was described as ""the niece of Mrs. Watson, my next-door neighbor," although it was later established that she had her own apartment. Still, she evidently spent a lot of time at Aunt Anna's, and 1996's Untold Tales of Spider-Man #16 revealed that she was living there during the events of Spidey's origin story.



#2... that sounds a bit better, but really, do we need a whole backstory on Electro? No. No, we do not. Just another day in the life of a superhero.
Again, though, the backstory given in the script -- that he had a domineering mother who belittled him yet denied him his independence -- is rather faithful to the comics. And it might've made the movie's version less of a caricature if we'd gotten a sense of how his mother had beaten down his will and self-esteem.


... Here, lemme fix the movie for Sony: ...but in a twist!, Gwen survives... only to dump Peter, saying she loves him as a guy but just doesn't want anything to do with all his battles. He offers to go with her; she turns him down, saying she knows how much Spidey is a part of him now, and saying that someday, some gal out there will embrace both parts of him. She goes to England, and Peter now hates Goblin for taking her from him. Running time: 100 minutes.
What's the point of having her live if she's still written out? She's as effective a hero in this movie as Spidey is! She's awesome! I want to see them together as a permanent crimefighting team!
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Old July 17 2014, 06:12 AM   #352
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but an early draft of the script by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman shows that the film's problematical plot elements were always in place.
No kiddin'? I never would have guessed that they were such a big part of the problem.
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Old July 17 2014, 01:18 PM   #353
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That's kind of what she was in the comics, though. In her very first appearance...
I don't care. Not one tiny bit.



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Again, though, the backstory given in the script -- that he had a domineering mother who belittled him yet denied him his independence -- is rather faithful to the comics. And it might've made the movie's version less of a caricature if we'd gotten a sense of how his mother had beaten down his will and self-esteem.
Again, don't care about the comics. I agree with your main point, but am also getting pretty tired of overly sympathetic villains in this series.



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What's the point of having her live if she's still written out? She's as effective a hero in this movie as Spidey is! She's awesome! I want to see them together as a permanent crimefighting team!
Something new? We've seen Bourne, Batman, Bond, Wolverine, Dom and probably several others I'm forgetting dealing with the pathos of losing a SO in battle, and it could have been both novel and interesting to see a character we all really like genuinely and permanently choose to leave the whole "fight the good fight" path. Just an idea; I don't ask that other fans side with me on this one.
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Old July 17 2014, 02:02 PM   #354
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Yeah, but that's just my point -- it's not that great a departure from the format if she lives but still leaves the series anyway. Having her remain as the hero's ongoing partner would be a lot fresher.
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Old July 17 2014, 02:33 PM   #355
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^ As great as her character is, I don't have a problem with her being written out - a happy relationship is tough to keep compelling in these sorts of epic movies. Offhand, I can only think of the Tony/Pepper one as an example that's still interesting in their fourth movie together, and I'd say that those characters' age and experience are key factors. Also, isn't a perpetually suffering Peter a key aspect of the comics to be faithful to?
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Old July 17 2014, 03:46 PM   #356
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Well, the thing is, I'm not looking at Gwen as merely "Peter's relationship." My interest in her isn't about him, it's about her. She's a great protagonist in her own right in these movies. Heck, I'd watch a movie that was just about her.
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Old July 17 2014, 04:58 PM   #357
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I enjoyed it, and I'll definitely be watching it again when it's out on Blu-ray. I just wish they had totally ruined the ending (ie the very last scene) with trailers and tv spots like this-


That really sucked.
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Old July 17 2014, 08:37 PM   #358
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That's kind of what she was in the comics, though. In her very first appearance...
I don't care. Not one tiny bit.



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Again, though, the backstory given in the script -- that he had a domineering mother who belittled him yet denied him his independence -- is rather faithful to the comics. And it might've made the movie's version less of a caricature if we'd gotten a sense of how his mother had beaten down his will and self-esteem.
Again, don't care about the comics. I agree with your main point, but am also getting pretty tired of overly sympathetic villains in this series.



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What's the point of having her live if she's still written out? She's as effective a hero in this movie as Spidey is! She's awesome! I want to see them together as a permanent crimefighting team!
Something new? We've seen Bourne, Batman, Bond, Wolverine, Dom and probably several others I'm forgetting dealing with the pathos of losing a SO in battle, and it could have been both novel and interesting to see a character we all really like genuinely and permanently choose to leave the whole "fight the good fight" path. Just an idea; I don't ask that other fans side with me on this one.
So if Spider-Man went around killing people you wouldn't mind because you don't care about the comics?
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Old August 8 2014, 02:57 AM   #359
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Devin Faraci writes about changes made from an earlier draft of the movie's script.

#10... wtf!
Yeah, that one goes to show why it's good that scripts go through multiple drafts. Although a number of the other elements of the early draft would've been good to keep.
Good grief... they actually shot that scene (Richard Parker shows up, completely alive, and has a chat with Peter in the present.)

How the blue hell could anyone have thought that was a good idea? Maybe if Gwen were still alive, it could have been an interesting development, but to drop it on top of her death?! I'm starting to think the awesomeness of ASM1 was an accident!
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Old August 8 2014, 08:29 PM   #360
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The parents actually did return in the comics during the early 90s.
However, they turned out to be evil robots created by the Chameleon & Green Goblin (Harry version). It was typical 90's excess though.
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