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Old April 21 2014, 07:44 AM   #316
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Silly powers and silly origins are just part of comics.
No question.

What made the Marvel Universe work is that it combined those silly elements with believable characterization and human drama.
And that's why I didn't like this version of Electro.
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Old April 21 2014, 11:48 PM   #317
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Overall it was a fun movie. I thought the pace was a bit slow and they need to be careful to keep the villains on the right side of camp (i.e. less camp than Batman & Robin). Captain America 2 did a way better job of pacing but I like the fact that they have a clearer plot arc involved this time around culminating it seems in the Sinister Six? The previous franchise would have benefited from a clearer arc with Venom being the fourth movie and Sinister Six the fifth.

I love, love, love Emma Stone's Gwen and nice cameo by Felicia (fingers crossed). However, not enough Spidey humour, Aunt May was a believable character but she just feels too out of her depth all the time, and I felt a pang of disappointment that Norman Osborn wasn't involved more. As far as villain origins go, sitting through a laborious slog involving Peter's parents is bad enough. Villains with quick and simple origins should allow us more meat on the bones.
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Old April 22 2014, 02:26 AM   #318
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Well, this version of Electro was more than the D-List buffoon he usually is in the comics so I don't what the complaints are for this version. Sure, he's kind of a psycho stalker but that's still more interesting than a random buffoon.

As for Venom, you actually CAN do the entire Symbiote story in ONE movie, but it requires some random villains for Spidey to fight and for there to be a bit of build-up with Eddie Brock.

Hell, the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon just eliminated Brock entirely (which makes sense) and turned Harry into Venom instead.

I think that might work for this version as well.
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Old April 22 2014, 06:13 PM   #319
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I enjoyed this. I went in with low expectations on the back of middling reviews and a sense of "how can it top Captain America: TWS?" But while not perfect, it was fun. Garfield is even better in this one than the previous one and, for me anyway, wipes away memories of Toby Maguire. Great chemistry with Stone.

Dane DeHaan is great and competes admirably with Willem Dafoe (he definitely gets a better suit). Jamie Foxx does his best with a thinly written role and Paul Giamatti makes the most of his limited screen time. The 3D is pretty decent and the action sequences are very well done. A lot of reviews have suggested that after 5 movies there is limited mileage in seeing Spidey swing through the skies but it still gets me every time.

Better than Raimi's first and third film and its own predecessor but arguably the previous Spider-man with a 2 in its title remains the one to beat.

So is this movie not getting its own designated review thread then?
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Old April 22 2014, 07:03 PM   #320
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Garfield is even better in this one than the previous one and, for me anyway, wipes away memories of Toby Maguire.
He did that for me last time. The Raimi films basically changed Peter Parker's character to fit Tobey Maguire, so he never really felt like Peter to me. Garfield is actually playing Peter Parker, albeit an edgier Peter than I'm used to.


The 3D is pretty decent and the action sequences are very well done. A lot of reviews have suggested that after 5 movies there is limited mileage in seeing Spidey swing through the skies but it still gets me every time.
I've only recently discovered that I'm able to see 3D movies (I'd thought my vision problems in my left eye would preclude it, but they don't), so I've never seen a Spidey movie in 3D. But I saw the ASM2 trailer in 3D when I went to see Desolation of Smaug, and it looked spectacular. I'm really looking forward to seeing the whole movie in 3D.


So is this movie not getting its own designated review thread then?
It hasn't come out in the US yet. I expect it'll get a review thread once it does.
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Old April 22 2014, 07:15 PM   #321
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^I didn't know it wasn't yet out in the USA. I'm sort of surprised, because groups I follow on Facebook and twitter have been posting spoilers all over the place (they've been careful to warn in headlines, in fairness) and I assumed there had been a US release. But I suppose there are no international boundaries where the Internet is concerned.

I do recommend the 3D showing Christopher. Not every film benefits from it but I thought the 3D in this and TAS was very good.
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Old April 22 2014, 07:43 PM   #322
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Haven't we had REVIEW/DISCUSSION threads for films before when they were released a week or two in advance overseas?

Usually the OPs for such threads have a fairly decent track record for putting SPOILERS in the title and in the first post stating it's not out yet globally "read at your own risk".
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Old April 22 2014, 08:28 PM   #323
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^I didn't know it wasn't yet out in the USA. I'm sort of surprised, because groups I follow on Facebook and twitter have been posting spoilers all over the place (they've been careful to warn in headlines, in fairness) and I assumed there had been a US release. But I suppose there are no international boundaries where the Internet is concerned.
This morning I saw a spoiler for a crucial event at the end of the movie, but it's one that I and plenty of others had already deduced was going to happen.
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Old April 22 2014, 10:02 PM   #324
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^ That 'spoiler' you're referring to was never really a spoiler at all since Webb and Co. never tried to keep the fact that it was going to happen a secret.

Calling it a spoiler is like calling the Knave of Hearts being Will Scarlet a spoiler when Michael Socha was very upfront about that fact long before OUaTiW premiered.
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Old April 22 2014, 10:17 PM   #325
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Is said spoiler a major event that happened in the comics too? In that case I deduced it a long time ago.
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Old April 22 2014, 10:44 PM   #326
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Yes.
Those set pics of her essentially spoiled it.
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Old April 23 2014, 01:19 AM   #327
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So it does happen then.
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Old April 26 2014, 03:11 PM   #328
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I didn't realise this wasn't out in the US two weeks after the UK, usually its just one week.

Anyway, saw it last night. I'll admit I was pretty meh about the first movie, and indeed I haven't seen it again since I first saw it two years ago. I did however think this one was a massive improvement, really enjoyed. Mainly just for Spider-Man himself; he looks, well, sorry but- amazing! Totally feels like he's come straight of the page, esp with all his wisecracks etc. Loved his first little meeting with Jamie Foxx's character

It sagged a bit two thirds in but made up for it by the barnstorming ending.
My main criticism however is the trailers. Jesus, pretty much everything is given away in them! It's unbelievable, but then so depressingly obvious all Sony care about whatsoever is as much $$$ as possible through getting as many bums on seats as they can.

I'll spoiler code this in case some are super sensitive, but its not that big of a spoiler, just what its the trailers but where it's placed in the movie...


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Old April 26 2014, 04:23 PM   #329
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I didn't realise this wasn't out in the US two weeks after the UK, usually its just one week.

Anyway, saw it last night. I'll admit I was pretty meh about the first movie, and indeed I haven't seen it again since I first saw it two years ago. I did however think this one was a massive improvement, really enjoyed. Mainly just for Spider-Man himself; he looks, well, sorry but- amazing! Totally feels like he's come straight of the page, esp with all his wisecracks etc. Loved his first little meeting with Jamie Foxx's character

It sagged a bit two thirds in but made up for it by the barnstorming ending.
My main criticism however is the trailers. Jesus, pretty much everything is given away in them! It's unbelievable, but then so depressingly obvious all Sony care about whatsoever is as much $$$ as possible through getting as many bums on seats as they can.

I'll spoiler code this in case some are super sensitive, but its not that big of a spoiler, just what its the trailers but where it's placed in the movie...

That really bothered me as well. I was hoping that the shots of Doc Ock's arms and the Vulture equipment would just be a taster, and in the actual film we'd get to see the other outfits and stuff but it was just those two.

And yeah, I followed the movie on Facebook and pretty much all of their promos were about Gwen and they had a whole thing about "Gwen's Day" so it doesn't take a genius to put together what storyline they're adapting.
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Old April 27 2014, 12:08 AM   #330
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My main criticism however is the trailers. Jesus, pretty much everything is given away in them!
Yeah, this is one of the most "Who cares what we spoil" advertizing campaigns I've seen for a while.

And just like the first film, the trailers are loaded to the gills with lines/shots/subplots that didn't make it into the final film. I know that happens a fair bit, but the ASM movies seem to be doing it more than most.
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