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Old February 25 2013, 09:20 PM   #16
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I'm just wondering if they'll remember to do the origin of the Valeyard when the time comes for 12 to regenerate into 13.
I have a feeling the Valeyard will never be mentioned ever again.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:31 PM   #17
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Matt Smith is the 12th Doctor, or at least the 12th regeneration.

David Tennant cheating death, blow a regeneration, making his Doctor both the 10th and 11th regeneration of the Doctor.
Yes and no, the way I see it. I think the Ten-to-Ten regeneration should count in some way, as should Eleven's little donation in The Angels Take Manhattan. I reckon he expects that he doesn't have quite enough juice left for regeneration number twelve. But then, who knows just what happened with River's own regeneration energy in Let's Kill Hitler?
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Old February 25 2013, 09:58 PM   #18
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I've seen it proposed that River giving the Doctor her regeneration energy could've "recharged" his own regen cycle and extended his lifespan. But I doubt that'll be the explanation, since there will probably be quite a few years between "Let's Kill Hitler" and whenever the Thirteenth Doctor leaves the show (unless the next two actors both pull Ecclestons), and it wouldn't be fresh enough in viewers' minds when that time comes.
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Old February 25 2013, 10:47 PM   #19
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Or...if the BBC "retires" the series before we even reach a 13th incarnation.

No, I don't wish that to happen, but if the ratings decline or economic forces make the BBC restructure its budget, it could occur. In that case, whether the Doctor has 13 or 1,300 lives will be moot.

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Old February 25 2013, 10:53 PM   #20
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Or...if the BBC "retires" the series before we even reach a 13th incarnation.
They tried that once. It came back.

Even if this incarnation of Doctor Who doesn't make it to a fourteenth Doctor, I think it's inevitable that there will be another revival, even if it takes another decade and a half or more. DW is an institution, and its very nature makes it endlessly revivable and reinventable.
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Old February 26 2013, 04:12 AM   #21
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I'm just wondering if they'll remember to do the origin of the Valeyard when the time comes for 12 to regenerate into 13.
I have a feeling the Valeyard will never be mentioned ever again.
I don't see why not, since they have revived quite a few previously corny 'classic' villans over the past years. Plus, we have see hints of him with the Dreamlord. To that end, we have seen the Doctor get darker then he ever got in the classic series so it is very concievable that as a means to rid himself of increasing darkness, his body somehow expelled the darkness in his 13th regeneration thus forming the Dreamlord/Valeyard. We have seen a similar 3rd person entity before with 'the watcher' when the 4th Doctor regenerated although he was mergeing in not out.
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Old February 26 2013, 04:41 AM   #22
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^You mean his 12th regeneration. One birth + 12 regenerations = 13 incarnations.
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Old February 26 2013, 06:16 AM   #23
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I'm just wondering if they'll remember to do the origin of the Valeyard when the time comes for 12 to regenerate into 13.
I have a feeling the Valeyard will never be mentioned ever again.
I don't see why not, since they have revived quite a few previously corny 'classic' villans over the past years. Plus, we have see hints of him with the Dreamlord. To that end, we have seen the Doctor get darker then he ever got in the classic series so it is very concievable that as a means to rid himself of increasing darkness, his body somehow expelled the darkness in his 13th regeneration thus forming the Dreamlord/Valeyard. We have seen a similar 3rd person entity before with 'the watcher' when the 4th Doctor regenerated although he was mergeing in not out.
While I think writers will (and should) continue to explore the darker sides of the Doctor, I don't think the Valeyard as a character/concept is going to happen. I think the closest we will get was the Dream Lord.

I think its just an idea that will remain with the classic series. I don't have a logical reason, other than its a corny name, it's been done. The Valeyard isn't iconic. Not in the way the Daleks, Cyberman, The Master, the Silurians are.

I think it's a character that's almost to fanwankery to bring back. And I love me the Sixth Doctor.

The Valeyard and the Rani... I just don't see either of them making an appearance. I don't know what purpose it would serve.

Sure, if there's the right story... but... Doctor Who isn't about continuity, and the Valeyard is a continuity specific character... "the darker aspects between this and this incarnation" which implies they HAVE to do it... but, the general audience the BBC is serving doesn't care, doesn't remember.

Bring the icons back, create new villains. No Valeyard, No Rani, and no ZYGONS. I have NO idea why they are always a demand to bring back. Weren't they only in ONE serial?
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Old February 26 2013, 07:15 AM   #24
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No Valeyard, No Rani, and no ZYGONS. I have NO idea why they are always a demand to bring back. Weren't they only in ONE serial?
Because you should always let Zygons be Zygons?








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Old February 26 2013, 09:42 AM   #25
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Bring the icons back, create new villains. No Valeyard, No Rani, and no ZYGONS. I have NO idea why they are always a demand to bring back. Weren't they only in ONE serial?
The Rani was in two.
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The Rani was in two.
We... don't like to talk about that.
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Old February 26 2013, 10:18 AM   #27
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No Valeyard, No Rani, and no ZYGONS. I have NO idea why they are always a demand to bring back. Weren't they only in ONE serial?
Because you should always let Zygons be Zygons?








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I liked the Zygons, sure they were only in one story (although they have been used in the books). Like the Rutans their strength is that they can shapeshift, but unlike the Rutans their natural form was quite decent. I dunno, I've always felt they were one of those classic monsters that wouldn't need a huge makeover (certainly less of an update than the Ice Warriors would!)
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Old February 26 2013, 02:33 PM   #28
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Or...if the BBC "retires" the series before we even reach a 13th incarnation.
They tried that once. It came back.

Even if this incarnation of Doctor Who doesn't make it to a fourteenth Doctor, I think it's inevitable that there will be another revival, even if it takes another decade and a half or more. DW is an institution, and its very nature makes it endlessly revivable and reinventable.
I'm actually glad you posted that rebuttal. It's one of the most "open ended" concepts ever created. If the show were canceled tomorrow, if enough time passed that everyone currently involved with the show right now, actors and production crew, were to grow old and pass away, the concept could still be revived like some benevolent Frankenstein's Monster. I just hope if the show is dropped in a couple of years, I'll still be around and lucid enough to enjoy it when it is eventually revived.

Nah, I just stated what I did because I get tired about this regeneration limit business.

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Old February 26 2013, 02:55 PM   #29
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Or...if the BBC "retires" the series before we even reach a 13th incarnation.

No, I don't wish that to happen, but if the ratings decline or economic forces make the BBC restructure its budget, it could occur. In that case, whether the Doctor has 13 or 1,300 lives will be moot.
Is that an issue right now?
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Old February 26 2013, 03:07 PM   #30
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Probably not, but the BBC has been known to cancel things that were still drawing in the viewers simply because they felt they'd run their course. I would suspect Who was still fairly bullet proof...for the moment at least...
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