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Old February 25 2013, 12:03 PM   #1
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Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

Along with no trigger guard, the phaser pistol had no sights. I wonder how hard it would be to shoot accurately. (When seconds count, your redshirt cannon fodder might be minutes away.)

There's a frame in "Return of the Archons" where Kirk is firing his Type I phaser, and the beam is going where his eyes are looking, not where the weapon is pointing.




Maybe hand phasers don't need sights because they have a sensor that looks at your eyes and figures out what you mean to be shooting at. Then the nozzle tilts itself to aim for you. Fighter pilots have something like that in real life now.
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Old February 25 2013, 01:59 PM   #2
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Or then the guns have built-in sensors that figure out potential targets, and give a little buzz against the user's hand, or other such signal, at each target the gun sweeps past. The user can then press a button to lock the gun to that target - and afterwards, the gun will fire at that target no matter where it is being pointed. Much like the "repeat" button on Gary Oldman's gun in Fifth Element.

There are pros and cons to both approaches. You don't always want to look at your target when firing, for example...

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Old February 25 2013, 06:21 PM   #3
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Re: Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

The Phasers actually DID have a gunsight. They just rarely ever used it (probably because only the hero props had them). You can see it in action in The Man Trap when Spock turns the dial on the phaser 1 atop his pistol and the sight pops up.

The phaser 1 is an ergonomic nightmare, however. The trigger is on the bottom, and to hold it in your hand and be able to push the trigger makes it nearly impossible not to block the sight with your thumb. Jefferies designed a cool looking little prop but it was impractical to handle.
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Old February 25 2013, 07:10 PM   #4
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Re: Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

That feature was recreated for the Art Asylum toy/replicas to my pleasant surprise. Master Replicas? Yeah, sure, you're paying several hundred dollars; it had better be accurate. But for a "toy", Art Asylum could have cut corners and not bothered. But it was included, anyway.

I didn't even know the "trigger" was mounted underneath until I got my AA toy and then discovered the site Maurice linked.

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Old February 25 2013, 07:43 PM   #5
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Re: Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

Also remember that the phaser 1 was meant to be concealed, for diplomatic/sensitive/clandestine missions. I would think that size would be the most important feature.

I agree that the bottom trigger is a nightmare, but having built many P1's (currently working on the Jlong hero), I'm not sure where else it could be if you want to use the rising site as designed.

Imagine sitting down and accidentally pressing the trigger. Embarrassing at best, deadly at worst.

I would suppose that a safety would be involved. At least a connection to prevent discharge without the rising sight up.

Other than the trigger, ergonomically it fits very nice in your hand and almost aims itself.

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Old February 25 2013, 08:40 PM   #6
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Re: Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

I can see where a sight would be needed for long-distance firing, and the phaser rifle from WNMHGB has a sight as well. But I would think for fairly short-range targeting, which is most of what we saw on TOS, they could get by on eyesight alone. Starfleet does train its crews in at least basic marksmanship, and I'd suspect that it's easier to aim and fire a phaser than it is a modern-day firearm since there are no recoil effects to throw off one's aim.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:04 PM   #7
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Re: Hand Phasers - Clumsy or Very Smart?

There's also the question of what was intended to be the on-screen trigger v. the practical trigger of the prop. The bottom trigger makes sense if there a linkage from the pistol that needs to activate the phaser 1, such as if the "sight" lights up when the trigger is pulled (no idea if that happened). Otherwise, you could assume that the wheel clicked down as a trigger, since that's around where the actor's thumbs usually landed. Either way, to get a solid grip you basically need to put your thumb right in front of the sight, which is silly.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:13 PM   #8
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...But only if you want a straight line, target-sight-eye. Yet the phaser is almost invariably operated at waist or chest height, not eye height. Why should the line between the three points need to be straight?

I mean, the sight is a prism-like "vision block" anyway. For all we know, it's set up to show the crosshairs at a convenient angle. Or, if it's an active display rather than a passive prism or mirror, it may show the crosshairs over the target at any angle, plus additional aiming aids and other relevant data.

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Old February 25 2013, 11:27 PM   #9
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ZapBrannigan wrote: View Post
Fighter pilots have something like that in real life now.
Only if you "think in Russian." HUDs are very sophisticated today, and many smartphones feature "augmented reality" apps. One could rationalize anything, including something as simple as a "laser sight."

The animators for Disney's THE BLACK HOLE were plagued by actors pointing everywhere but at the targets, resulting in beams coming out of the barrel at a skewed angle. So the actors had to be coached how to fire their space guns. And if you thought George Takei running loose with a foil was a problem...

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Old February 25 2013, 11:47 PM   #10
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Metryq wrote: View Post
ZapBrannigan wrote: View Post
Fighter pilots have something like that in real life now.
Only if you "think in Russian." HUDs are very sophisticated today, and many smartphones feature "augmented reality" apps. One could rationalize anything, including something as simple as a "laser sight."

The animators for Disney's THE BLACK HOLE were plagued by actors pointing everywhere but at the targets, resulting in beams coming out of the barrel at a skewed angle. So the actors had to be coached how to fire their space guns. And if you thought George Takei running loose with a foil was a problem...

Don't give Charlie a hard time - after all, he did end up playing second fiddle to a tin can who was programmed to educate him.

Those The Black Hole laser guns were pretty cool, though.
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Old February 26 2013, 12:38 AM   #11
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Trigger on the bottom?

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Old February 26 2013, 12:51 AM   #12
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^^ I was wondering about that as well. Who said the trigger was on the bottom?

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Old February 26 2013, 12:55 AM   #13
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^^ I was wondering about that as well. Who said the trigger was on the bottom?

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Old February 26 2013, 01:55 AM   #14
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Franz Joseph is not cannon.

Very cool, but not cannon.

Matt Jefferies original drawings ID the trigger on the bottom. The hero
P1's had a metal stud there for it. You can see the P1 sitting up on it in Assignment Earth.
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Old February 26 2013, 01:56 AM   #15
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