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Old February 25 2013, 10:59 AM   #16
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Re: Would there have been seven seasons if there were no Seven?

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Judging from s3, I think Voyager without Seven would have lasted maybe 5s before they pulled the plug if they didn't use another "Jump the Shark" stunt to boost ratings like kill off a character or a wedding.
Trek weddings are very unexciting events.
Unless on Betazed where everyone, and I do mean everyone, is horrifically scary.
I just thought of something.. the PHOTO ALBUMS.

Anyone wanting a gander at Picard in the nude could just sweet talk Lwaxana over tea into showing off her daughter's wedding pictures, which with Lwaxana would probably love to do.
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Old February 25 2013, 11:04 AM   #17
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Dee is royalty.

It's a public event.

The naked news will be present.
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Old February 25 2013, 11:09 AM   #18
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I bet the news blurs bits of non Betazoids at their request.
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Old February 25 2013, 11:27 AM   #19
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Requests will differ.

Some will insist on airbrushing, others magnification.
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Old February 25 2013, 11:47 AM   #20
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I want my whole body in TOS style soft focus, with that silly vampy music in the background. Every time the news camera pans over me the only clear thing you'll see is me stuffing my face on some Betazoid cake. This will be so hilarious in contrast to everyone else's over exposed flesh that it will go viral on zoidtube where I'll be knows as "that blurry woman".
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Old February 26 2013, 05:47 AM   #21
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Re: Would there have been seven seasons if there were no Seven?

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I like Bry's question.

"IS 7 THE TRUE SOURCE OF VOYAGER'S SUCCESS?"
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For me Seven really ruined the series. The character concept was interesting, but too much emphasis was placed on her, at the expense of the other characters (save Janeway and the Doctor, but they became more sidekicks to Seven).

As a gay man, Seven as sex appeal was never going to work for me, but I can appreciate an attractive woman. Jeri Ryan is good-looking, with a very curvy figure, but when you have someone like that parade around in catsuits it kinda cheapens the character and continues stereotypes of "sexy sci-fi chick".

Trek should have done something a little better, rather than just giving into fanwank
The Halloween Parade in NY East Village is full of gay men that dressed up as Seven during the years that Voyager was in production. Many gay men appreciate the appeal of diva-esque sex appeal and the camp of the sexy sci-fi babe, if they didn't we wouldn't have "Ru Paul's Drag Race" or men in drag calling themselves "Heada Lettuce" or "Aqua Netta".
Seems like Seven didn't cheapen anything for them but rather made them feel empowered.
Wasn't it Gene Roddenberry's idea to have green naked women as sex slaves?A virus that causes everyone to get naked? An entire planet where nearly any sexual act is legal? Anybody remember the citizens of "Angel One". Kirk's implying in "Gamesters...." how sex can overcome slavery? How even within the series, that Troi's leotard was called inappropriate attire for the bridge? I don't see how Seven's catsuit cheapened things but rather just continued the idea that sexuality was always a big part of Trek's universe as established by the shows creator.
We just fooled ourselves in to believing Trek is more high brow than it really is. Trek may have a message but it's still entertainment, first and foremost.

If the rest of the audience gave a damn about the rest of the cast, the ratings wouldn't have fallen during s1-3 to require bringing her on in the first place. Honestly, I've never seen fans say; " I tuned in every week for Tuvok....or Paris.....or Chakotay." If they did, he show wouldn't have needed the soft reboot it got.
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Old February 26 2013, 05:53 AM   #22
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Gay men respect high heels.

The higher the heels, the more respect.

It's no way to govern a society, but they have their universe and I have mine.
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Old February 26 2013, 06:53 AM   #23
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We just fooled ourselves in to believing Trek is more high brow than it really is.
The mistake is in thinking something can't be full of sex and high brow.
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Old February 26 2013, 07:36 AM   #24
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Re: Would there have been seven seasons if there were no Seven?

Girls comes to mind.

Californication.

House of Lies.

Sex plus fantastic and weird writing.

Although the only thing that comes close to sex + spaceships + class is Lex.

Why are we talking about sex and Voyager?

Voyager was sexless and sterile.

Beautiful people in sackcloth smocks with ingeniously well hidden zippers.

Hardly any one frakked and when they did we didn't see diddly.
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Old February 26 2013, 11:47 PM   #25
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Re: Would there have been seven seasons if there were no Seven?

If Seven wasn't introduced in order to ensure Voyager ran for Seven Seasons, they wouldn't have named her Seven
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Old February 27 2013, 02:13 AM   #26
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:: slaps sindatur ::

You're bad.
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Old February 27 2013, 12:21 PM   #27
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Gay men respect high heels.

The higher the heels, the more respect.

It's no way to govern a society, but they have their universe and I have mine.
Some gay men might
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Old February 27 2013, 09:56 PM   #28
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This is why I will never be a gay icon.
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Old February 27 2013, 10:25 PM   #29
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It's a trick by gay men not to look women in the eye.

If all they can see is the underside of a chin on any woman they are talking to from way down there, it's practically as if women don't exist.

Which is such a peaceful calming thought.
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Old February 28 2013, 12:26 AM   #30
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Then again Kylie Minogue is a gay icon and she is my height.

hmm..
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