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Old February 24 2013, 06:38 PM   #16
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

I hate to bring this up, but if the last two dogs got cancer, could it be something there that's causing it as opposed to inbreeding?

Is it something in the water? Do they smoke?
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Old February 24 2013, 09:35 PM   #17
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Ro, I have a purebred standard poodle. Whatever pet you get, you have to be comfortable with. If it's a purebred, go for it. Otherwise, I'm sure there are some wonderful purebred rescue organizations that would work with you to find a furry friend that will fit into your family.
Good on you, listening to your instincts. If the parents aren't around for you to look at, you should worry.

ETA: Guys, purebred dogs work best for my family. But my cat was a homeless baby who found our family.
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Old February 24 2013, 09:45 PM   #18
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

get a rescue dog and save the 1000+ dollars for vet bills!! (seems like an absolutely ridiculous amount!)
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Old February 24 2013, 09:53 PM   #19
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For a poodle, you end up with a great deal of grooming costs! My Emma has to go every six weeks for her fur appointment. She has wonderful fur as her predecessor did, but it requires a great deal more attention than a short-hair. Upside, she doesn't shed. I've only bathed her a few times myself, once after she got so sick from those damned Chinese-made jerky treats!
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Old February 24 2013, 09:54 PM   #20
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

If you really want a pure breed do it with careful research, getting to know the breeder, asking questions. How often do they breed the mothers, what do they do with their older dogs they no longer breed etc..? There are responsible and good people breeding dogs out there but you will have to spend some time to find them. And just because someone is listed on a website connected to a breed doesn't mean they are not a mill.

Shelters often have puppies though, so if you want to avoid any hidden behavioral issues in an adult shelter dog that's an easy one.
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Old February 24 2013, 09:55 PM   #21
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A pure-bred dog already, by definition, comes from a limited genetic pool. That's why they're generally more susceptible to a variety of heart-related problems.
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Old February 25 2013, 12:00 AM   #22
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get a kelpie!
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Old February 25 2013, 03:24 PM   #23
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

Abort! Eject!

When I've gotten purebred Labs, the most I ever spent was $750. I made sure to check carefully into the breeder and his kennel. Does the mom and other pups look healthy and nourished? Is the kennel clean or full of poop? What are you feeding them? Can you show me the hip and eye certs on the parents? Can you show me the AKC papers? Any other health issues going on? I would never buy one sight unseen.

I'm going to use a vet I trust, not one in bed with the pet shop.

Unless the pup's parents just won best in show at Westminster, there's no way I'm dropping $1200-$1300 on such a common breed.

Labs are the most popular dog in the US, there are breeders all over. There's bound to be a retriever club in you city/state. They can refer you to someone reputable.
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

Yeah, I assume that all dogs sold in pet shops are from puppy mill suppliers. We got ourselves a black lab mix rescue way back in 1995. She was 6 1/2 months old, had been starved, left in the streets, and she became ours and we became hers. She lived until 2010 (she was two months shy of her 16th birthday). She had a long, happy, healthy life, and I know my life, in particular, benefited greatly from having her around. Rescue pets are the best.
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Old February 25 2013, 05:45 PM   #25
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Re: How do u know if a pet store is a puppy mill?? U heard of Petland?

Robert Maxwell wrote: View Post
I agree with everyone else saying you should always adopt from a shelter/rescue. There are so many pets out there who need good homes. Why spend a few thousand dollars on a purebred or boutique mix? Save that money to take care of your loving and awesome shelter animal.
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I work for a vet and have seen horror stories by the dozen from pet store puppies with all sorts of problems. x
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Old February 25 2013, 07:49 PM   #26
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Shelters are an offensive, invasive joke. I will never visit one again.
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Old February 25 2013, 09:55 PM   #27
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Good decision, not to buy from a pet store. If your parents are set on a lab or lab mix, look online for a lab rescue group. Petfinders is a great site -- you can search for animals by breed and location, and a lot of rescue groups use it. I used it some years ago to adopt a beautiful pure-bred German Shepherd Dog, papers and all.
I found the rescue group that I recently adopted my lab mix Wilma from through Petfinders. You can not only narrow the search by location and breed, but by size, gender, age and several other criteria. I was amazed by the number of rescue groups in my area. A lot of them are foster-based groups and many of them are for specific breeds. I've only had Wilma for 2 1/2 weeks, but she's fitting in great.

I've never heard of Petland, but just reading about their warranty sets off alarm bells. I would strongly discourage anyone from buying from a pet store (as others have said, their stock almost always come from puppy mills)- there must be reputable lab breeders in your area.
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Old February 25 2013, 10:03 PM   #28
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Shelters are an offensive, invasive joke. I will never visit one again.
Just curious, what do you mean when you say invasive? At my local shelter, anyone who was willing to fork over the $25 fee was free to take an animal home. I don't think we hardly filled out any paperwork. I know there are some rescue organizations that go overboard in wanting to do home visits and interrogate you to make sure you've never killed a fly, but in my experience shelters (especially county run facilities) are a much different story.
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Old February 26 2013, 05:33 AM   #29
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Peach Wookiee wrote: View Post
ETA: Guys, purebred dogs work best for my family.
I am finding it nearly impossible to parse this statement. Can you explain further?
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Old February 26 2013, 04:18 PM   #30
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ETA: Guys, purebred dogs work best for my family.
I am finding it nearly impossible to parse this statement. Can you explain further?
She means that her family prefers to have purebred dogs, rather than mixed breed dogs or mutts.
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