Borg Queen thought (from First Contact)

Flying Spaghetti Monster · February 23 2013, 03:11 AM

I heard this idea from a fan commentary for the film, that it was an idea the filmmakers considered but didn't do. It might have been an interesting idea:

When Porter gets taken by the Borg, a female engineer follows him into the tubes and she is taken as well. I heard that this woman was originally going to be played by Alice Krige. That way, it would explain the Borg Queen herself might have been some dowloadable program that fit into this woman's body once assimilation took place, so that way the Queen can exist in many cubes at once.

What do you think?

You think they should have gone with that?

heavy lids · February 23 2013, 04:26 AM

It's hard to say if they should have done that, but it is an interesting idea.

BeatleJWOL · February 23 2013, 06:57 AM

It's a fantastic idea, and very fitting (not to mention damned horrifying, suiting the Borg).

They probably felt it would have required too much explaining to the general audiences, though.

DonIago · February 23 2013, 07:11 AM

I don't see how it's substantively different from what we got. Besides I thought it was made fairly obvious that the Queen can already exist in many places at once.

King Daniel · February 23 2013, 01:50 PM

It's a cool idea. And one they did in the novel Before Dishonor - to poor Admiral Janeway.

Robert D. Robot · February 23 2013, 04:54 PM

Yes-- I think it would have been a very interesting way to present the nature of the Queen. I wonder, though, if they could have still somehow integrated that concept with the process/sequence where the Queen's head & spine are dropped into her body, which is one of the more memorable images from the movie.

Flying Spaghetti Monster · February 23 2013, 05:43 PM

That is a most memorable image. They could preserve it by having the woman put up a good fight and they'd have to seriously damage her body before the Queen takes it

Gaith · February 23 2013, 09:30 PM

It's a cool idea, but Picard would probably have been too distracted/pissed at talking to one of his crewmembers, no matter how corrupted, the whole time, for their dynamic to work the way the writers intended. And they wouldn't have been able to claim Picard suddenly recognized her from the BOBW days, not superficially at least.

Mirror Sulu · February 24 2013, 01:37 PM

In 'The Return', which is I believe the second 'shatnerverse' novel, it's revealed that V'Ger was modified by the Borg and Ilia from TMP is hinted to be the Borg Queen. I think that's quite a cool concept.

Peach Wookiee · February 24 2013, 06:25 PM

Would've been creepy as all get out... I like it!

Tiberius · February 25 2013, 12:32 AM

Mirror Sulu wrote:

In 'The Return', which is I believe the second 'shatnerverse' novel, it's revealed that V'Ger was modified by the Borg and Ilia from TMP is hinted to be the Borg Queen. I think that's quite a cool concept.

I wonder how they would have explained why Ilia was unfamiliar with "carbon units" given that the average drone is built from one...

Maurice · February 25 2013, 12:54 AM

Mirror Sulu wrote:

In 'The Return', which is I believe the second 'shatnerverse' novel, it's revealed that V'Ger was modified by the Borg and Ilia from TMP is hinted to be the Borg Queen.

heavy lids · February 25 2013, 02:49 AM

Maurice wrote:

Mirror Sulu wrote:

In 'The Return', which is I believe the second 'shatnerverse' novel, it's revealed that V'Ger was modified by the Borg and Ilia from TMP is hinted to be the Borg Queen.

What a great idea!

Heavy sarcasm there.

February 23 2013, 03:11 AM	#1
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) I heard this idea from a fan commentary for the film, that it was an idea the filmmakers considered but didn't do. It might have been an interesting idea: When Porter gets taken by the Borg, a female engineer follows him into the tubes and she is taken as well. I heard that this woman was originally going to be played by Alice Krige. That way, it would explain the Borg Queen herself might have been some dowloadable program that fit into this woman's body once assimilation took place, so that way the Queen can exist in many cubes at once. What do you think? You think they should have gone with that? __________________ Life of Pi is the most pleasant film I've ever not cared at all for.

February 23 2013, 04:26 AM	#2
heavy lids Lieutenant Commander Location: Denver	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) It's hard to say if they should have done that, but it is an interesting idea. __________________ "Divine intervention is...unlikely" - The Doctor

February 23 2013, 06:57 AM	#3
BeatleJWOL Lieutenant Commander Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) It's a fantastic idea, and very fitting (not to mention damned horrifying, suiting the Borg). They probably felt it would have required too much explaining to the general audiences, though.

February 23 2013, 07:11 AM	#4
DonIago Rear Admiral Location: Burlington, VT, USA	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) I don't see how it's substantively different from what we got. Besides I thought it was made fairly obvious that the Queen can already exist in many places at once. __________________ --DonIago It was the best of Trek, it was the worst of Trek... "If I lean over, I leave myself open to wedgies, wet willies, or even the dreaded Rear Admiral!"

February 23 2013, 01:50 PM	#5
King Daniel Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) It's a cool idea. And one they did in the novel Before Dishonor - to poor Admiral Janeway. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

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February 23 2013, 04:54 PM	#6
Robert D. Robot Captain Location: Pre-Warp Civilization of New England	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) Yes-- I think it would have been a very interesting way to present the nature of the Queen. I wonder, though, if they could have still somehow integrated that concept with the process/sequence where the Queen's head & spine are dropped into her body, which is one of the more memorable images from the movie.

February 23 2013, 05:43 PM	#7
Flying Spaghetti Monster Vice Admiral Location: Flying Spaghetti Western	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) That is a most memorable image. They could preserve it by having the woman put up a good fight and they'd have to seriously damage her body before the Queen takes it __________________ Life of Pi is the most pleasant film I've ever not cared at all for.

February 23 2013, 09:30 PM	#8
Gaith Rear Admiral Location: Starfleet Command, The City that Knows How	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) It's a cool idea, but Picard would probably have been too distracted/pissed at talking to one of his crewmembers, no matter how corrupted, the whole time, for their dynamic to work the way the writers intended. And they wouldn't have been able to claim Picard suddenly recognized her from the BOBW days, not superficially at least.

February 24 2013, 01:37 PM	#9
Mirror Sulu Lieutenant Junior Grade Location: N. Ireland	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) In 'The Return', which is I believe the second 'shatnerverse' novel, it's revealed that V'Ger was modified by the Borg and Ilia from TMP is hinted to be the Borg Queen. I think that's quite a cool concept.

February 24 2013, 06:25 PM	#10
Peach Wookiee Cuddly Mod of Doom Location: Peach Wookiee	Re: Borg Queen thought (from First Contact) Would've been creepy as all get out... I like it! __________________ Peach's Websites http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1373040/ http://peachwookiee.deviantart.com/ http://peachwookieesparty.blogspot.com/ Check them out!