On Board the Enterprise-D - Page 2

M · February 24 2013, 12:03 PM

SonicRanger wrote:

Well, it all had to fit on a CD-ROM with 700 MB of space.

Actually, I read on Amazon that the actual data for the virtual tour is only about 100 MB small. (I don't own the book, so I can't look it up myself.) So I dare say there is enough space left to do a lot more locations on the Enterprise-D.

As for the whole thing: I'm not sure this is something I would want. The artwork looks rather lame and there doesn't seem to be much new information in it (if any at all). A virtual, free-world tour through the whole ship where I can visit every room? I would buy THAT!

Ziz · February 24 2013, 01:38 PM

davejames wrote:

trekker670 wrote:

Can you provide a review of the contents of both the book and the CD? I'm curious as to why they went the route of recreating everything in CG rather than use the source images used in the interactive technical manual (at least in part).

I think the problem is those images were only at a 640X480 resolution, and wouldn't be quite the size or HD quality we're used to now.

Not to mention licensing. Simon & Schuster probably still have copyright on the old stuff.

King Daniel into Darkness · February 24 2013, 02:02 PM

If they did something like this for the new movie Enterprise I'd get in in a flash. But for the 1701-D? Been there, done that. Technical manuals, floorplans, the Fact Files... I've had more than enough for one lifetime.

Trekker4747 · February 24 2013, 03:16 PM

davejames wrote:

It worked in my DVD drive. And I think any optical drive will do actually.

Yes, that's how optical media works. I doubt anyone was concerned about a CD-ROM working in their DVD-ROM drive.

lennier1 · February 24 2013, 10:51 PM

I wasn't too sure about it at first, but I'll probably give it a second chance, because Tobias Richter's company The Light Works was involved in creating the CG content (tons of prior involvement in Trek calendars, the effects for the TNG Blu-rays, many fan films, ...).

Lance · February 24 2013, 11:54 PM

King Daniel wrote:

If they did something like this for the new movie Enterprise I'd get in in a flash. But for the 1701-D? Been there, done that. Technical manuals, floorplans, the Fact Files... I've had more than enough for one lifetime.

^ Pretty much my take too.

This sounds like something that might be good for a newbie dipping their toes in the water of TNG for the first time (thanks to the BDs?), but... the 1701-D has been covered in so much detail already, and it's all just a little ho-hum to me now.

SonicRanger · February 25 2013, 12:08 AM

Recreating in CGI only what we've seen before and existed in real life is unforgivable. We had this with the Interactive Technical Manual -- the exam same sets -- because they had real photography of the actual sets. Now they are doing the same thing with CGI replicas. Why? Use CGI to show us what we didn't see and what didn't exist. The main shuttlebay, Cetacean Ops, the malls and lounges that Probert envisioned, etc.

trekker670 · February 25 2013, 04:10 AM

Ziz wrote:

davejames wrote:

trekker670 wrote:

Can you provide a review of the contents of both the book and the CD? I'm curious as to why they went the route of recreating everything in CG rather than use the source images used in the interactive technical manual (at least in part).

I think the problem is those images were only at a 640X480 resolution, and wouldn't be quite the size or HD quality we're used to now.

Not to mention licensing. Simon & Schuster probably still have copyright on the old stuff.

My question stemmed from the fact that it would make sense that CBS (or possibly Paramount) would still own the rights to the original photographs of the sets that were used to composite into the panoramas and also the original photographs (assuming they were saved, which it makes sense that they would be) would have a much higher resolution than the scaled down files released on the Tech Manual.

Forbin · February 25 2013, 03:00 PM

Just went thru the CD. Took about 5 minutes. Pft.

Squiggy · February 25 2013, 07:07 PM

SonicRanger wrote:

Why?

HD. I'm pretty sure those panoramas from the 90s were low-res quicktime.

Someone seriously needs to get on a full open-ended Ent-D like what we were teased with for Star Trek:Online.

SonicRanger · February 25 2013, 09:26 PM

Squiggy wrote:

SonicRanger wrote:

Why?

HD. I'm pretty sure those panoramas from the 90s were low-res quicktime.

Low-res real sets versus high-res fake sets... Doesn't really count as new content, does it?

RAMA · February 26 2013, 12:41 AM

I DID enjoy the look at the Enterprise on CD-ROM...butttt I would have enjoyed seeing some of the ST:Online sets we never saw...I think that fit's within it's purview.

I still think this book makes a great starter for your children who may just be getting into the STNG blurays!

RAMA

Squiggy · February 26 2013, 04:38 AM

SonicRanger wrote:

Squiggy wrote:

SonicRanger wrote:

Why?

HD. I'm pretty sure those panoramas from the 90s were low-res quicktime.

Low-res real sets versus high-res fake sets... Doesn't really count as new content, does it?

No, but we're living in a world where SD content is going away forever. In you want to see the D today, it's going to have to be HD cgi since the sets are long gone.

Robert Comsol · February 26 2013, 04:20 PM

SonicRanger wrote:

Use CGI to show us what we didn't see and what didn't exist. The main shuttlebay, Cetacean Ops, the malls and lounges that Probert envisioned, etc.

Yes, that would have been nice and interesting. What are the chances for such a more insightful manual, now that a superficial version has become available?

Bob

Squiggy · February 26 2013, 04:57 PM

Depends on how much money this and Remastered makes.

February 24 2013, 02:02 PM	#18
King Daniel into Darkness Admiral Location: KingDaniel has fallen Into Darkness (in England)	Re: On Board the Enterprise-D If they did something like this for the new movie Enterprise I'd get in in a flash. But for the 1701-D? Been there, done that. Technical manuals, floorplans, the Fact Files... I've had more than enough for one lifetime. __________________ Star Trek Imponderables, fun video mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors. Episode One Episode Two

February 24 2013, 10:51 PM	#20
lennier1 Commodore Location: Germany	Re: On Board the Enterprise-D I wasn't too sure about it at first, but I'll probably give it a second chance, because Tobias Richter's company The Light Works was involved in creating the CG content (tons of prior involvement in Trek calendars, the effects for the TNG Blu-rays, many fan films, ...). __________________ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.

February 25 2013, 12:08 AM	#22
SonicRanger Rear Admiral Location: Sheffield, England	Re: On Board the Enterprise-D Recreating in CGI only what we've seen before and existed in real life is unforgivable. We had this with the Interactive Technical Manual -- the exam same sets -- because they had real photography of the actual sets. Now they are doing the same thing with CGI replicas. Why? Use CGI to show us what we didn't see and what didn't exist. The main shuttlebay, Cetacean Ops, the malls and lounges that Probert envisioned, etc. __________________ "STAR TREK is... Action - Adventure - Science Fiction." -- Gene Roddenberry, 1964, top of the first page of his original pitch and outline for Star Trek

February 25 2013, 03:00 PM	#24
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February 26 2013, 12:41 AM	#27
RAMA Vice Admiral Location: NJ, USA	Re: On Board the Enterprise-D I DID enjoy the look at the Enterprise on CD-ROM...butttt I would have enjoyed seeing some of the ST:Online sets we never saw...I think that fit's within it's purview. I still think this book makes a great starter for your children who may just be getting into the STNG blurays! RAMA __________________ “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”—Stephen R. Covey

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February 26 2013, 04:57 PM	#30
Squiggy Shit Supreme Location: Not on your life, my Hindu friend.	Re: On Board the Enterprise-D Depends on how much money this and Remastered makes. __________________ ENOUGH OF THIS TURGID BASH WANKERY!