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Old February 21 2013, 07:52 PM   #1
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Dominion War

Hi all DS9 fans I have not really seen a lot of DS9 and I am starting to watch them. I would like to know how the Dominion war started? I know it lasted for 2 years that is all. Was it political instability? I see the Klingons fighting with star fleet as well in a battle (I think it was season 4 around there)
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Old February 21 2013, 08:00 PM   #2
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Sisko didn't listen to the Dominion when they told him to tell the Federation to stop coming through the wormhole.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:03 PM   #3
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Dukat took Cardassia into the Dominion, giving them territory in the Alpha Quadrant.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:16 PM   #4
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Might be easier to read the Memory Alpha page on the Dominion War than to ask us to summarize it for you. Or just watch it unfold on TV, the way the rest of us had to back in the olden days.
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Old February 21 2013, 08:30 PM   #5
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Dukat took Cardassia into the Dominion, giving them territory in the Alpha Quadrant.
And Dukat took Cardassia into the Dominion, because the Cardassians had been weakened by a costly war with the Klingons (and to a lesser extent, the Maquis).

And the Klingons originally invaded the Cardassians after the Dominion had replaced General Martok with a Changeling... well, that and Gowron's overreaching political ambitions. It seems that Martok-Changeling's main purpose was to channel Gowron's ambitions into the "right" direction (from the Dominion's perspective).

So the Founders basically manipulated the Klingons into invading Cardassia so that they could manipulate the Cardassians into joining the Dominion. The ultimate Batman Gambit.

So much for the more general causes of the war. As for the actual casus belli: The Federation's refusal to let any more Dominion ships come through the wormhole. To paraphrase Weyoun: Either you remove those mines or we'll take this station from you and remove them ourselves. They did the latter. The Federation responded with blowing up some Dominion shipyard in Cardassian space IIRC. And thus the war had started.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:19 PM   #6
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I don't think the Dominion had its sights on Cardassia specifically. They just wanted to sow discord among the Alpha Quadrant empires. If the Klingons are fighting the Cardassians, and the Federation is fighting the Klingons, then they're weakening themselves, and the Dominion can come in and knock them all down more easily.

More insidiously, the Dominion could've eventually come in as a mediator for the Alpha Quadrant powers. After a series of long wars, the Dominion could be seen as a savior for the peoples of the Alpha Quadrant. They could station some Jem'Hadar troops at key locations and force a truce among the AQ empires, then cajole them into joining the Dominion through diplomacy.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:21 PM   #7
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The Dominion attacking and occupying DS9 was the official start of the Dominion War.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:28 PM   #8
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Sisko didn't listen to the Dominion when they told him to tell the Federation to stop coming through the wormhole.
Well, since the Dominion war is obviously meant as the Trek equivalent to World War II, we have to consider that appeasement could make the aggressor more aggressive.

Had the Federation actually stopped from coming through the wormhole, the Dominion would have learnt that blowing up Bajoran colonies and Galaxy-class starships gets you what you want. If you push the Federation enough, they back down. We can't rule out the possibility that the Dominion would have invaded Federation space by the end of Season 3 instead of going the long road of getting a major AQ power like the Cardassians on your side first.
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Old February 21 2013, 09:35 PM   #9
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Sisko didn't listen to the Dominion when they told him to tell the Federation to stop coming through the wormhole.
Well, since the Dominion war is obviously meant as the Trek equivalent to World War II, we have to consider that appeasement could make the aggressor more aggressive.

Had the Federation actually stopped from coming through the wormhole, the Dominion would have learnt that blowing up Bajoran colonies and Galaxy-class starships gets you what you want. If you push the Federation enough, they back down. We can't rule out the possibility that the Dominion would have invaded Federation space by the end of Season 3 instead of going the long road of getting a major AQ power like the Cardassians on your side first.

appeasement is usually seen as giving an aggressor your or someone ELSE's territory in an attempt to prevent war. For all we know, encroachment into the territory beyond the wormhole really was seen as invading Dominion territory, in which case they were basically saying "stop sending ships into our territory or we'll view it as an act of war."
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Old February 21 2013, 09:46 PM   #10
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Seeing as it took a couple of years of travel through the wormhole before the Alpha Quadrant powers even heard of the Dominion, I'd say it's not exactly reasonable or realistic for the Dominion to count everything on "their" side of the wormhole as their territory. Clearly the GQ terminus of the wormhole doesn't open up in the Dominion's backyard. Besides, isn't there the equivalent of "freedom of the seas" with regards to interstellar travel?
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Old February 21 2013, 09:46 PM   #11
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sonak wrote: View Post
appeasement is usually seen as giving an aggressor your or someone ELSE's territory in an attempt to prevent war. For all we know, encroachment into the territory beyond the wormhole really was seen as invading Dominion territory, in which case they were basically saying "stop sending ships into our territory or we'll view it as an act of war."
I don't see much difference here. Nazi Germany saw Austria and Czechoslovakia as rightful German territory and the act of appeasement was to recognize that claim (strictly speaking, both the Austrian and Czech territories had indeed been part of the German Confederation until 1866).

The Dominion saw the entirety of the Gamma Quadrant as their rightful territory and to recognize that claim would have been an act of appeasement as well. Other Gamma Quadrant species surely disagreed with Dominion's territorial claims as we had witnessed over the course of Season 2.
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Old February 22 2013, 04:35 AM   #12
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Hi all DS9 fans I have not really seen a lot of DS9 and I am starting to watch them. I would like to know how the Dominion war started? I know it lasted for 2 years that is all. Was it political instability? I see the Klingons fighting with star fleet as well in a battle (I think it was season 4 around there)
Well, animosity builds on both sides through the first two years of the Dominion threat. They have attacked us (Destroying New Bajor and the Odyssey,The Defiant when they go looking for the founders, the terrorist attack on Earth, Martok's changeling putting the Alpha Quadrant at war, etc), we have attacked them (Cardassian/Romulan invasion of the founders). Sisko says it best: "We're losing the peace, which means a war may be our only hope." (A Call to Arms). Cardassia is a haven for Jem'Hadar ships and supplies. The Federation isn't stopping them from bringing these supplies into the Alpha Quadrant because it would lead to war, a war that is against their nature and they might not be able to win. But governments are starting to sign up with the Dominion, become allies of the Cardassians and the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant. The Federation could wake up one day and find themselves surrounded by governments that either aren't willing to fight with the Federation, or will actively try to conquer the Federation. It's just a matter of time. So, Sisko mines the entrance to the wormhole with the intention of starting a war and to cut off supplies for the Dominion during that war. Weyoun comes on the station and demands the mines be taken down, because, as described earlier in the show when the Klingons were mining the Bajoran border, this is an act of war. So Weyoun makes good on his threat that they would "take this station and remove the mines ourselves." After that, it's just a matter of formal declarations.
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Old February 22 2013, 06:04 AM   #13
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Based on The Search, the Dominion always intended to become masters of the alpha quadrant. They hoped they could absorb the Federation the same way they absorbed Cardassia. They just wanted to do it firing as few shots as possible, and the first thing that put that in jeopardy was the mining of the wormhole.
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Old February 23 2013, 01:34 AM   #14
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It depends. Ever since the Dominion annexed Cardassia, war was inevitable. Sisko and Starfleet knew this, hence they decided to cut their losses and mine the wormhole. They knew that the Dominion would get pissed off, but they thought "they'll attack sooner or later, so let's take our chances now".

I never understood why Starfleet decided to abandon the station though. I know they wanted to destroy the shipyards, but it seems the first battle was a stalemate. The Dominion/Cardassians may have lost the shipyards and had no access to the wormhole but they got the station. And the Federation/Klingons lost the station but destroyed the shipyards.

I know a war requires long-term strategy, but surely an initial conflict should attempt to strike a blow. It's like in World War II (bar the Phoney War at the start). Went on a Blitzkrieg in late 1939/early 1940 and made some key Allies surrender (like France).
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Old February 23 2013, 01:38 AM   #15
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Sisko didn't listen to the Dominion when they told him to tell the Federation to stop coming through the wormhole.
There was no more a "war" then than between the Federation and the Romulans.
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