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Old April 5 2013, 12:15 AM   #46
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I only want to chime in on a common nitpick of the episode...that after 30 years of living an alternate life, Picard shouldn't be able to remember how to fix a stopped up toilet, nevertheless run a starship: I can only assume that the probe was designed to prevent such things....as opposed to what happened to O'Brien later down the line.
A very valid point. DS9 at least had O'brien out of sorts for a week after his traumatic experience, even if he went from about to kill himself to perfectly fine the next week. They could've had Picard take the next week off rehabilitating or something.

As for all the mind rape accusations? Well it's a valid point. Picard had no choice, from his view his life was stolen and replaced by one of someone else's choosing. Sure it was well intentioned, but it was a violation. The only difference between this and Voyager's Memorial is that intent. The Inner Light's probe just wanted Picard to witness and live their culture so they'd be remembered. Memorial wanted everyone to live through their crimes so everyone would know what dicks they are.

The Inner Light's rapist just turned out to be a nice fellow despite the rape. Whereas Memorial's wasn't. Don't get me wrong, Inner Light was a great episode(and Memorial wasn't), but it doesn't change the fact that they did violate Picard to the very core.
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Old April 5 2013, 12:25 AM   #47
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I also figure that it's the 24th century, so maybe rehabilitation is a lot better. Riker was back at it shortly after "Frame of Mind", & Picard after assimilation & Cardassian torture, & Geordi was doing alright soon after his brainwashing. We can just assume they know how to treat it better 300 years from now
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Old April 6 2013, 05:30 PM   #48
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I also figure that it's the 24th century, so maybe rehabilitation is a lot better.
Initially rehabilitation plays no part. Picard recognizes the bridge of the Enterprise within seconds of regaining consciousness . He doesn't speak to Will Riker as if he were someone he hadn't seen for thirty years. The "life experience" aspect of the alien download obviously begins to disappear immediately. Picard remembers elements of the story line he was exposed to, and is effect by it. But it's not like he personally lived thirty years off the ship and then return after that time.

O'Brien continues to remember the time he spent imprisoned personally, the impression I received from that episode is that it would remain with him as an actual event in his life always.

Picard realizes very quickly that the download wasn't real.

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The Inner Light's rapist just turned out to be a nice fellow despite the rape.
Interesting way of putting it. Maybe like the guy who hurts women, but keeps his lawn nicely kept up.

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Old April 6 2013, 05:56 PM   #49
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The Inner Light's rapist just turned out to be a nice fellow despite the rape.
Interesting way of putting it. Maybe like the guy who hurts women, but keeps his lawn nicely kept up.

More like the guy who wants to cuddle with the rape victim after the deed. Picard then decided it was some good cuddling and overlooked the violation.
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Old April 6 2013, 10:09 PM   #50
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Initially rehabilitation plays no part. Picard recognizes the bridge of the Enterprise within seconds of regaining consciousness . He doesn't speak to Will Riker as if he were someone he hadn't seen for thirty years. The "life experience" aspect of the alien download obviously begins to disappear immediately. Picard remembers elements of the story line he was exposed to, and is effect by it. But it's not like he personally lived thirty years off the ship and then return after that time.

O'Brien continues to remember the time he spent imprisoned personally, the impression I received from that episode is that it would remain with him as an actual event in his life always.

Picard realizes very quickly that the download wasn't real.
I'm not so sure. I mean, perhaps the readjustment might be lesser than say spending 30 years in a POW camp & being dropped back into your home

But still, it's clear that even a year later he still remembers the notes to the song he learned in that "20 minutes". He apparently recalls all of the people & events of that encounter as if it was a 30 year period of his life

Even that in itself would require some psychotherapy of some sort, even if to just cope with the grief of losing it & them. He is irrevocably altered from then on.
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Old April 7 2013, 07:02 AM   #51
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Given that the aliens were able to manipulate Picard's mind, it's likely that they'd also have the ability to make sure that he isn't significantly harmed by what happened...
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Old April 8 2013, 02:42 PM   #52
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Given that the aliens were able to manipulate Picard's mind, it's likely that they'd also have the ability to make sure that he isn't significantly harmed by what happened...
How?

How could they accommodate for every variation of humanoid, vulcanoid, klingonoid and every other -oid out there?

The fact that they sent a probe with no manual, that was self-terminating and included only a flute shows me that these people weren't all that bright.

Instead of putting their accumulated knowledge into something tangible they download a snippet of it into someone who will die at some point and the whole of their culture will die with them, except for the flute and a dead probe.

It's nice in concept, but The Inner Light wasn't a very well thought out episode. In my opinion.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:05 AM   #53
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Given that the aliens were able to manipulate Picard's mind, it's likely that they'd also have the ability to make sure that he isn't significantly harmed by what happened...
How?

How could they accommodate for every variation of humanoid, vulcanoid, klingonoid and every other -oid out there?

The fact that they sent a probe with no manual, that was self-terminating and included only a flute shows me that these people weren't all that bright.

Instead of putting their accumulated knowledge into something tangible they download a snippet of it into someone who will die at some point and the whole of their culture will die with them, except for the flute and a dead probe.

It's nice in concept, but The Inner Light wasn't a very well thought out episode. In my opinion.
The very fact that it worked with an alien brain shows that they must have some kind of brain-scanning capability.
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Old April 9 2013, 02:07 AM   #54
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Given that the aliens were able to manipulate Picard's mind, it's likely that they'd also have the ability to make sure that he isn't significantly harmed by what happened...
How?

How could they accommodate for every variation of humanoid, vulcanoid, klingonoid and every other -oid out there?

The fact that they sent a probe with no manual, that was self-terminating and included only a flute shows me that these people weren't all that bright.

Instead of putting their accumulated knowledge into something tangible they download a snippet of it into someone who will die at some point and the whole of their culture will die with them, except for the flute and a dead probe.

It's nice in concept, but The Inner Light wasn't a very well thought out episode. In my opinion.
It's science fiction... there are some things you just overlook. You may as well complain about things like laser weapons, faster than light travel, aliens that look like humans with funny foreheads and the fact everyone speaks the same language and understands each other. Brain scanning isn't that far out there.
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